Goviers in Arlingham

[JonShaw58]

I have just seen a record on an inventory that suggest that Edmund Gabb was the predecessors of John and Florence Govier as landlords of the Red Lion. I had though that they Edmund Gabb was their successor at the pub as I have also seen documents 1916 linking him to the pub in around 1912 which was when John Govier died. Does anyone know whether Florence continued as landlady of the pub for a few years after her husband died.?

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Not sure about a few years, but definitely after Jennings died. again from British Newspapers free search

Gloucester Journal
Whitminster Petty Sessions
“... Florence Govier, of the Red Lion, Arlingliam, was summoned for not having her name over licensed premises on the Bth February last.... ”

Saturday 15 March 1913

[JonShaw58]

Many thanks Mabel

That's what I thought. The next recorded landlord we have is John Stephens from 1919, there may be someone else in between but we have no record of this.

So was the full name of Florence's husband John Jennings Day Govier? I have seem references to him as John but also as Jennings.

Reason for my interest is that the Red Lion has been undergoing refurbishment and will be re-opening on 1 November. There's a proposal to employ a signwriter to record the dates and names of all previous landlords on the wall of the bar. So just wanted to get it right in case any Govier descendants come to visit!

Kind regards

Jon

[Dott]

Jon,

Thanks for the info on Mabel & the Red Lion, glad to see it is still there - do you know of anyplace on the internet I can get old pics of it?

As you see in 1910 - Florence is listed too (John's wife) - unsure why they don't mention John here for 1910 as he was still alive until 1912 (as far as I know)

Nick

[Dott]

Nice work Jon My ancesters were Arlingham Carters .Nice to see Henry at the top of your list

[JonShaw58]

Hi Dott - and are those Carters (Henry and Thomas) who were late C18th and early C19th landlords of Red Lion, Arlingham ancestors of yours. Or were they possibly the affluent Carters of Puckpool Farm, Arlingham. In our house here in Arlingham there's a spiral staircase fitted about 1760 which has the signature Wm Carter engraved into - we always assumed that he was the carpenter who fitted it. There was a William Carter living 50 yards away at the time.

[Dott]

Hi Jon ,There were Two Main Carter Families In Arlingham,those at Puckpoole and the Carter Doctors so called because they drscended from a phisician and for some reason continued to use the title.Both were wealthy but my line of the Doctors were tradesmen by 1800s.Apparently they were not related but members of both sides resembled my Grandfather.Confused?And me.They probably intermarried.There probably were some Carpenters in the families but Ive not seen one yet.My 3xGt gfather William b1779 was the only Doctor William I can find so yours May well be a Puckpoole one.At times the Doctors lived At Slowwe House,The Malthouse,Skillers House and Addresses at Overton.Henry was almost certainly a Doctor..How did you know of Wm Carters residence?The many deeds Ive studied dont give much info on resideces.I have been to the Church many times and hope to walk the village again in the summerThanks for your reply.

[JonShaw58]

I thought the inheritance of Slowwe House,Arlingham to the Carter family was not until the inter-war period after the Sayer family died out there.

The Malthouse, Church Road, Arlingham was an old cruck framed cottage which was owned by Arlingham Court estate until its dissolution in 1919. My nephew lives there now.

I don't recall a 'Skillers House' in Arlingham, but there was a 'Skittermister House'.

There's a map in Glos Archives from about 1725 or 1735 (a coloured waxy map) which shows names  of occupiers or property names on some properties. Wm Carter is shown against a property on land that would now be where 'The Court Garden' development now stands and was the previous garden to Arlingham Court and was built in about 1740. Given that our stairs were made in 1760 it could be the same Wm Carter - or a son?

The Puckpool Carter graves are amongst the finest in Arlingham churchyard as you will know if you are a visitor.

[Dott]

Hi John Thanks for info.An undated Tythe map suggests that Sarah and Mary Carter lived at "Slough" House .John Carter Dr took up tenancy of Woolthrop in1765.Its a pity the Puckpool Tombs are now so worn.Just to the right of the Church door are two tombs with the inscriptions almost completely worn.They are probably both Carter Doctor tombs.On one you can make out Thomas Carter d 1767.He was five x gt gfather.A Wm Carter died in 1816 and in his will left tenamets and land to his sons including Brickyard Close Orchard.Perhaps He is the stairmaker.He is in one of the Puckpool Tombs.My tree,accurate though lacking detail, is on Ancestry under toddc50.I will certainly check the waxy map next time Im in town.Your knowledge of the parish is proving most helpful.Again many thanks.