surname help

[shanew147]

@nikkita5680 - can you make out the residences for William and Catherine on the marriage cert you have ?

might help locate them on the 1901 census...

also names, and occupations, of their fathers from the cert could help - assuming it's a civil cert...

A new research cert from the GRO will probably look the same, but might possibly be a little clearer.


Shane

[shanew147]

.....ages ...on 1911 census says catherine was 30 and william 45 and basically i just wanted to find who she was married to before william as cert says she was a widow and obviosly first huband was tracey and want to know what happened to him and hopefully get a better picture..

Is this your William & Catherine in 1911 ?

   O'Toole household - Vance's buildings

Married 9 years (so c1902), William a Hotel Goods Porter born Dublin City, Catherine born Co. Dublin, and three children - all born Dublin City.


Shane

[nikkita5680]

might be  a better pic thanks for reply.they were living in vances buildings william was a porter father was michael he was valet and catherine tracey was a widow same address father john quinn. it says they married in 1902 but this certs dated 1935 for pursuance of widows pension soo does that mean william died in 1935 for definite. thanks for your help

[nikkita5680]

yep thats them shanew

[nikkita5680]

all i really need to find out is william and catheriines d.o.bs and both there mothers names and name of cats first husband ? tracey if anyone can point me in right direction please

[shanew147]

might be  a better pic thanks for reply.they were living in vances buildings william was a porter father was michael he was valet and catherine tracey was a widow same address father john quinn. it says they married in 1902 but this certs dated 1935 for pursuance of widows pension soo does that mean william died in 1935 for definite. thanks for your help

so looks like we need a ? Tracey / Catherine Quinn marriage sometime before 1902, and probably after 1899 - i.e. Catherine age 18..

Does the marriage cert mention John Quinn's occuaption ?

I dont see any Traceys or [O']Tooles in Vances buildings in 1901...


Shane

[nikkita5680]

it says john quinn labourer also i just looked up family search found a catherine quinn born 25th march 1880 portobello place father john mother kate so may be her?? dont know where they both came from or their parents my search just goes back to will and cat 3 vances bldings 1901 thanks for your help shane

[shanew147]

Catherine states she was born Co. Dublin - so probably further outside the city than Portobello...

The IrishGenealogy website concentrates on City records.

William gives his place of birth as Dublin city, so more likely that he is somewhere in the IrishGenealogy records... problem is finding the correct one.. 

Note the IrishGenealogy website does not include one major RC City parish - namely St. Paul's (Arran Quay)


Shane

[nikkita5680]

thanks for that i shall keep up the search and take a trip to gro see what turns up