Missing Burial David & Sarah Shaw Near Rochdale

[karenbest500]

Hi Em,

I had a quick drive around and there are some old cottages at the beginning of White Gate and then goes on to 1950's houses but I don't think they are the Lower Mill cottages. The good thing is that the road names haven't changed and Paddock End is still there too, which is another small close that was next to your ancesters address in the census.

Apparently there is an 1848 map of Dearnley/Weurdle area in existence that shows Lower Mill and Stubley Mill so perhaps Touchstones may have a copy of that?

Sorry I couldn't be more help but my visit to the UK was very brief and back at my house in the Netherlands now.

Happy hunting.
Karen

[emmsthheight]

Hi Karen

Thank you so much for your time in such a crazy schedule.  It must have been some flying trip.  Your feet mustn't have touched the ground!

Thank you for somehow fitting in the Lower Mill area.  Your post is fascinating reading!  Must look for those cottages on Googleearth with the addresses you've given me.  I must investigate that map too.

Back in the past before genealogy took off, when they'sd just started their website, touchstones were really kind including sending a section of a map but it was further into the hills.

Hope the weather's better in Holland than here!

Thank you again. 

Best wishes

Emms

[emmsthheight]

Hi

Yes, Threlfall Yorkie.

My Whiteleys are mostly in the Pennines between Halifax and Rochdale but we have at least one marriage in Halifax and I think Whiteleys may be the link..
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They were in the Ripponden area and also used King Cross Church Halifax  I think King Cross may be out of Halifax

My David Shaw married Sarah Whiteley but there are Whiteleys in other branches and Shaws, Whiteleys, Booths intermarried and all these names appeared as second surnames in all the branches.

About as hard as the Irish!

Best wishes

Emms 

[UNDERTAKER]

king cross church would refer, I suspect, to king cross methodist church and my uncle has the burial records for this church going back to 1820 and yes it is just outside of halifax going towards sowerby bridge and ripponden.


T.

[emmsthheight]

Hi Undertaker - T

Thank you so much for both  your replies.  I'm sorry I didn't get back more quickly.  There's a lot going on here.

This is brilliant to read.  I was beginning to think that my little group of Shaws etc had disappeared into a black hole along with the places they frequented in among all the other Shaws etc in the area!

What you've said about King Cross Ripponden would fit in well with the rest of the family so far.

i wonder if they could well appear in that burial register.

thank you again for all your input.

Best wishes

Emms

[bobmunc]

Hello,
Regarding St John the Baptist's church - It's been closed for some time and I believe that it's for sale for a very reasonable price.
I suggest you contact the local history group who have a lot of information on this church and are always happy to help. It's The Wardle and Smallbridge Local History Group (search for WASHG).

Stubley Mill vanished in the 1950s. It was originally a Fulling Mill but in later years was a glue mill. I have records from the 18th century but it appears to be much older than that.  Stubley Mill Lane runs past Stubley Hall to the River Roch where the mill was. Stubley Road ran from Littleborough to the same place.
I had family at Stubley Mill from around the 1880s and I'm fairly certain that their local church would be either Littleborough parish or St Andrew's at Dearnley, not St John's at Smallbridge.

Hope this helps
BM

[emmsthheight]

Hello Bobmunc

Welcome to Rootschat!

What a lovely surprise to receive a reply after all this time

Yes, this little era in the family's life is proving really elusive to find more information on!!  It's brilliant to hear from someone who remembers and is familiar with the places as well as having links.

St Andrews sounds worth doing some searches for and I'll also look into the history society which I wasn't aware of.

It's interesting Dad always mentioned Littleborough.  I also have census entries at Wuerndle which seems to be close by.  The family was linked to Booths, Whiteleys, Lees and Wolstenholmes among others.  They intermarried loads.

Thank you again and do let me know if I can help with your line.  I've got quite a bit together on these lines or if you have any links here in Cumbria.

Best wishes

Emms 

[bobmunc]

Hello,
I just looked up St Andrew's Church at Dearnley and it was opened in 1894; maybe this is out of your time period?  The land for the burial ground was donated in 1879 and consecrated in 1881.
Littleborough parish church burial ground appears to have been full by the early 20th century as the nearby St Barnabas Church at Shore was built around that time.  I assume that non-conformists would have been buried at Rochdale cemetery (appropriately located on Bury Road) rather than at one of the Anglican churches, but could well be wrong on that.

Wuerdle is a vague sort of place! It must have covered a much larger area at one time but apart from a small group of houses it's almost vanished. It's just over a mile on the road from Littleborough to Rochdale and is actually on the old pre-turnpike road which ran parallel with the present one. A Google search for Wuerdle Rochdale will find it.

I noticed that you list English merchants in Brazil; we have the Schwind and Lyon families who had connections with Bahia in the 19th century.

regards

BM

[emmsthheight]

Hi

I'm sorry.  Somehow I missed your last post.

Thank you for the local knowledge.  Yes, my burials are a bit earlier.  I think just before the cemetery opened but I may be wrong - 1840 to 1850.

That's why I'm thinking chapels and churches.

Best wishes

Emms