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Sir Thomas Ramsay baronet of Balmai completed
« on: Thursday 30 August 12 21:19 BST (UK) »
Sir Thomas Ramsay baronet of Balmain, married Elizabeth Macdonell daughter of Duncan Macdonell of Gelgarry in June 1819, and died in 1830 in York Place Edinburgh. He had served in the East Indies. I have found a report of the court case arising from his wife's contesting of his will, but can find no other trace of him. There seems to be no record of him among the Ramsay baronets, and I cannot place him within the hierarchy. I really want to find the names of his sisters, and whether one of them married a Pairman, (because the above report mentions that his 'nephew James Pairman'
was a residual inheritor), but would welcome any input at all that would put me back on the track of this elusive man.
Thank you!
Hicks, Thorburn, Bennett, Millar, Parsons

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Re: Sir Thomas Ramsay baronet of Balmain
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 30 August 12 22:34 BST (UK) »
The will and inventory of the estate of Thomas can be downloaded from the ScotlandsPeople website for 10 credits - 5 pages long.  The will may help clear up some relationships e.g. he might say whose son James is.

I did find this:
Sir Alexander Ramsay, 6th Baronet, at whose death 6 Feb 1806 (the title) passed to his kinsman and heir-at-law, Sir Thomas Ramsay, colonel EICS 7th bart who m 1819, Elizabeth, relict of The Chisholm, and 2nd son of Duncan Macdonnell, of Glengarry, and Mary his wife, daughter of Sir Ludovick Grant, Bart. of Dalry.  Sir Thomas d.s.p. in 1830, when the baronetcy became extinct.  His widow died 7 Oct 1859 aged 82.  Sir Thomas's estates had devolved by bequest of Sir Alexander, 6th baronet, on his nephew, Alexander Burnet Esq, 2nd son of Sir Thomas Burnet Bart of Leys, by Catherine Ramsay, sister of the 6th baronet.

Also found this

http://archive.org/stream/cu31924092524382#page/n321/mode/2up

When the baronetcy was created in 1625, it was granted to the grantee and the heirs male whatsoever.  Presumably this is what created confusion in 1806.

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Re: Sir Thomas Ramsay baronet of Balmain
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 30 August 12 23:03 BST (UK) »
One of his sisters was named Isabella who on 15th October 1810 married James Rose Watson in Edinburgh

The Aberdeen Journal  Wednesday, October 24, 1810

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Re: Sir Thomas Ramsay baronet of Balmain
« Reply #3 on: Friday 31 August 12 10:31 BST (UK) »
Thank you both for replying. I had downloaded the testament three days ago, and am still trying to decipher it! I have got half way down page three, and the only names so far seem to be those of his trustees. I am sure the clerk that copied it all was chosen because he could write neatly - but these days, I am finding it a real struggle to read.
Knowing that he was brother to the previous baronet should help me find his parents and perhaps his siblings - especially as I now know that one of them was Isabella. I am hoping one of the others was married to a Pairman, as James Pairman was my 2 x great grandfather. He never married the mother of my great grandmother, and spent most of his life as postmaster in Barbados. I found a James Pairman born at about the right time, to William Pairman and Helen Ramsay in Elie, Fife, but she seems to have been the daughter of David Ramsay - and I don't think any David's featured in the Ramsay baronets line. This has been a brick wall for some time (years, in fact) so any help is greatly appreciated.  :)
Sue
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Re: Sir Thomas Ramsay baronet of Balmain
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 01 September 12 16:16 BST (UK) »
Little Nell, the link you gave me the other day has cleared up my inability to find Sir Thomas in any peerage - I take it 'assumed' means his father took it upon himself. It's a bit disappointing to find that his father 'Sir' James was of unknown parentage and descent, but at least I have sorted that bit out, with your help. 
I did finally manage to decipher enough of the will to discover that it was Sir Thomas's sister Helen, who he names as Mrs Helen Pairman, and his nephew as James Pairman of Barbados, so it looks as those really are my ancestors - but I don't think I am going to be able to lay claim to any blue blood!
Thank you for your help. I can probably close this post now - how do I do that?
Hicks, Thorburn, Bennett, Millar, Parsons

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Re: Sir Thomas Ramsay baronet of Balmain
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 01 September 12 21:54 BST (UK) »
Thomas's father wasn't James - James was his brother.  James died without issue according to that link.  It seems James left a will and that can be purchased from TNA DocumentsOnline. 

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I can probably close this post now - how do I do that?

If you click the 'modify' button on the opening thread of this post, and add the word 'completed' to the title, that'll be fine.

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