*COMPLETED* Mary Beasant 1783

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Mary Beasant (Bessant) was bap 6 Apr 1783 in Eling. Her father was John and she had an older brother John (bap 1776). She married John Noyce in 1805 and then went to Wellow.

I looked through the PR for Eling to find other siblings or any Beasant (Bessant) records, but to no avail.   If anyone had time to look at some neighbouring PRs this would be much appreciated. A marriage for John B. would be a fantastic find.

Ed

[Paco]

Welcome to Rootschat. There are quite a lot of Beasant/Bessant/Bezant's living in Eling at the time, so difficult to sort out which ones are yours. There was a Richard Beasant who also had a father called John and he was born on the 6/12/1780. There are two marriages for John's (different spellings) one was to a Sarah Fox on the 18/12/1798 in Eling and the other was to a Rebecca Bezant 29/9/1799 who may have been his cousin also in Eling.
regards.

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Thanks for this. Richard was probably another brother. Either of the two marriages for John (younger) would fit and it would take a bit more digging to see if Sarah died and John remarried (rather quickly!). However, Mary is my ancestor and it's her father's marriage that I'd really like to find.

[Little Nell]

Marriages for John Beasant (or variant) seem to abound in Eling and it is impossible to tell which is which. 

John Beasant married Sarah Compton 31 Oct 1765 in Eling
John Beasant married Elizabeth London 18 Oct 1775  in Eling
John Beasant (widower) married Sarah Hinvest? 25 Jun 1780 in Eling

The first one is unlikely given that Mary was born in 1783, but not impossible.  Mary would be one of the younger children.

Which John is the widower?  Or was he a widower twice?

Nell

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Thanks for this research Nell. Could you see if there are deaths for Sarah Beasant or Elizabeth Beasant in the intervening years so we might be able to build a better hypothesis as to the identity of Mary's mother? I know that there is not always consistency in recording the widowed status of spouses, especially if the registrar changed.

I obviously did a pretty poor job when I visited Winchester RO!

Ed

[Little Nell]

It may be worth trying to reconstruct the possible families from the baptisms, to try to establish if there is one or more by the name of John.

There are two baptisms in 1760s where the father is recorded as John, but no mother is named.
John Beasent bapt 27 May 1767
Mary Beasent bapt 13 Sep 1769                                           

There is a gap before these baptisms for children with the father named John :

John Beasant bp 31 Jul 1776                                             
Richard Beasent bp 6 Dec 1780
Mary Beasent bap 6 Apr 1783

Then there is this one, son of John & Sarah:

William Beasent bp 31 Jul 1785

There is a removal order dated 30 Jun 1781 at HRO for John Bessant & his wife Sarah, plus sons John aged 4 and Richard aged 6 months from Eling to Minstead.  This fits the two baptisms above, so their mother is Sarah!  Oh, wow, I've just discovered there is an image of the order online - not seen that before.  http://www.rootschat.com/links/0qii/

Before 1812, ages are not generally recorded for burials, so this could be tricky.

These may be relevant:
Sarah Beasant 1 Jul 1766  (not likely to be Sarah Compton, unless John married again after her death in another parish)
Elizabeth  Beasant 27 Sep 1778
Elizabeth Beasent 13 Mar 1782
John Bessant 14 Sep 1834 age  56
Sarah Bessant 31 Mar 1823 age 54
Sarah Bessant 30 Mar 1828 aged 84
Sarah Bessant 13 Dec 1829 age 70

Nell

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This is getting interesting , all the more because of the removal order. I knew nothing of such things. In the light of this it would be interesting to look at the records of Minstead. Does Minstead parish immediately adjoin Eling?

My working hypothesis is this. We are dealing with two different John Beasants, who ended up marrying Sarahs. The older one married Sarah Compton, who was b. about 1744 and died in 1828 aged 84. Her husband John and children John (1767) and Mary (1769) need to be accounted for. Of course it is possible that there is one John, who married three times, and that the John and Mary from his first wife named Sarah died in infancy.

The younger John Beasant (my ancestor) married Elizabeth London in 1775 and Elizabeth gave birth to John the next year. She died, and John remarried Sarah Hinvest (or whatever the name should be!). Sarah was heavily pregnant, though not impossibly so, at the time and gave birth five months later to Richard. This theory would be more plausible if Sarah proved to be from Minstead. The fact that they seem to have two children at the time of the removal order in 1781 does not affect the theory too much. The younger Sarah may well have been the one who died in 1829 aged 70, making her about 21 when she married in 1780.

It does seem that despite being subject to a removal order they were able to come back, or at least have two further children baptised in Eling. So the subject of removal orders seems something I need to research.

Ed

[Little Nell]

Minstead does indeed adjoin Eling.  Both parishes have a border with Wiltshire, although Minstead's is relatively short.

To check out your hypothesis, you will need to reconstruct families in a number of generations.  It could be cousins.  Each child should be traced where possible and accounted for before you might be able to determine what actually happened.

The name of Sarah is Hinvest - two possible baptisms in Eling: 27 May 1764 and 24 May 1769, each time the father is Robert.  So probably the first one died.

Nell

[[Ray]]

Hi

Hinvest has other variants in the area including Henbest

William H built the Forge/Smithy at Bramshaw. (did I mean rebuilt? 1795)
Bramshaw (I believe) is another place transferring across borders

Ray

ps  . . . . . and it is a wonderful B&B