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Registers of All Saints, Norwood, 1849-1858
« on: Monday 27 August 12 04:50 BST (UK) »
I'm hoping someone has access to the parish registers of All Saints, Norwood for the period Jan 1849 to Sep 1858 inclusive. I'm looking for a possible marriage during that period between the widower Joseph Barnicot and the widow Thomasine Flockton, both of whom lived at Caen Wood House, Beulah Rd, Norwood in Sep 1858. Any info will be gratefully received.

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Re: Registers of All Saints, Norwood, 1849-1858
« Reply #1 on: Monday 27 August 12 08:21 BST (UK) »
Hi louise182

Welcome to rootschat  :)

I can't see any mention of a marriage between these two on the freebmd indexes.
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

There is however this one
December qtr 1848
BARNICOTT    Joseph    
FLOCKTON    Mary Webster       
Staines registration district ref  3  357

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Re: Registers of All Saints, Norwood, 1849-1858
« Reply #2 on: Monday 27 August 12 09:26 BST (UK) »
Thanks for your prompt reply, Rosie. The relationships are complicated, because Mary Webster Flockton was Thomasine's sister. After Mary's death in childbirth in 1849, her husband married his sister-in-law Thomasine. I think part of the idea was to legitimise their living arrangements, as they'd all been living together before Mary died. Never let it be said that a gentleman would live in a house with a woman to whom he was not married. However, because the marriage was between a man and his sister-in-law, and the Church of England frowned on such unions, I'm not actually sure whether they married in England or elsewhere. People in this situation sometimes left England to be married. I know there's no record in FreeBMD, but I also know that a number of gaps in the records exist for the early days of civil registrations. Since I live in Australia, I was hoping that someone with access to the Norwood parish records could have a look for me, before I cast my search net wider.

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Re: Registers of All Saints, Norwood, 1849-1858
« Reply #3 on: Monday 27 August 12 11:21 BST (UK) »
In 1851 Joseph Barnycote and Thomasina Flockton were living at Beulah Road, Northwood- Jos'h is head and a Widower - Thomasina -sister in law and - Widow so they are not 'married' at that time.   
In 1861 they were 'husband and wife' but living in Grove Road, Streatham.  It is more likely that they never married and just moved to a new area.

Her probate calendar entry gives her as Thomasina Barnicot otherwise Flockton which to me would probably indicate that a formal marriage never took place.

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Re: Registers of All Saints, Norwood, 1849-1858
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 02 October 12 21:46 BST (UK) »
Hi Louise

I have a newspaper announcement from the London Standard, dated Monday 23 October 1854  (on British Newspapers archive) stating that they were married on 19th October 1854 at Duisburgh, Prussia!

I was fascinated to see that you are researching the Flocktons because of the marriage between Francis and Isabel Flockton, as that was the marriage that got me researching!    I have no direct ties with the Flocktons but am intersted in the Fatt family - Francis' father, Stephen Fatt, added his wife's name (Sarah Flockton) at some point after their marriage.  At the moment I have no idea where Sarah fits into the Flockton family  - she was born abt 1803 in Surrey, but I can find no parentage for her, and died in 1858 in Romford, Essex.

I have to say that I also have no relationship to the Fatt family but only as they married into the Pierssene family, who married into the Schmack family, who married into the Jones' who married into my Brewers!  However, they are all such intriguing families I just can't help trying to track them all!

If you have any information about Sarah in particular, I'd love to hear from you.

Ursula

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Re: Registers of All Saints, Norwood, 1849-1858
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 02 October 12 22:58 BST (UK) »
You're a treasure, Ursula. Thank you so much for that marriage info. I'm rather amazed at the convoluted research path you describe but in a way I'm not surprised, as the entire family was pretty interesting.

Thought you'd like to know that in 2007 I published a book on the Pierssené/Fatt connection - Pierssené, a Huguenot Family of London - and on page 150 I explain Stephen Fatt's name change. Basically, in 1827 he married Sarah twice in two weeks - the first time as Fatt, the second time as Flockton. Because some of the Fatts later adopted the name Pierssené, the book also contains a great deal of info about the Fatts back to William Fatt, c 1690-1773, and some info about the Schmacks. In hindsight, it makes sense to me that Thomasine Flockton married her second husband in Prussia, as the Schmacks were German.

To answer your specific question, Sarah Flockton was the daughter of Rev Jonathan Flockton and his wife Hannah Cole, who were married at St James Piccadilly on 19 January 1792. Sarah was their fourth child, baptised on 12 March 1799 at Hambledon, Surrey. I've found 12 siblings for her, and she herself had 10 children. I've researched the lives of the Flocktons back to the year dot and have a well-developed draft book waiting to see the light of day. You have now filled one of the gaps holding up the finalisation of that book. Next year I'll be publishing a book specifically about Sarah's granddaughter, the botanical artist Margaret Flockton.

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Louise Wilson

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Re: Registers of All Saints, Norwood, 1849-1858
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 28 November 12 07:02 GMT (UK) »
Hi

Any Coopers on this register ?
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