birth lookup please Maria Sheppard Redenhall

[rosiebun3]

I am looking for  the birth of a Maria Sheppard (or Shepherd). She states her birth to be in Harleston in the 1881 census which would make her birth around 1857. On her marriage certificate her father's name is left blank which would suggest she may have been illegitimate or that her father died when she was young. In 1871 she is living with her grandmother and a sister Emma. I have found an earlier census which might suggest her mother was called Caroline and was unmarried.
Any help with this would be appreciated 

[keyboard86]

Hi I can see why possibly you have mother as Caroline, if I am correct she is with a Charles and Mary Nott in 1851 with a daughter Emma?
Census ref HO107/1821/112/26?
Keyboard86

[keyboard86]

Hi again all in 1861 we have on FindMyPast:-

Mary Noot 74 Widow b Worstead
Caroline Shepcott 29
Maria 4
Emma 13
All other than Mary b Harleston
Census ref RG09/1231/75/28
Keyboard86

[trish1120]

1851 Census
Common,
Harleston, Norfolk
HO107/1821/112/25
Charles NOTT, 67, Head, Mar, Ag Lab, born Harleston
Mary Nott, 63, Wife, Mar, born Wortwell
Caroline SHEPHERD, 23, Daug, Unm, born Pulham
Emma Shepherd, 3, Grand/Daug, born Harleston
+ Boarders, Daniel HUNTON 84, Ann AYRTON 26 and Children Charles 4/Ann 1.

CAROLINE Shepherd Christened 22 March 1829, Pulham St Mary, Norfolk
Mother MARY Shepherd
(Familysearch.Org)

Doesnt look like Charles Nott/Mary Shepherd got together or Married til post 1841
(I cant find a Marriage 1841-1851 so maybe never Married?)


1841 Census
Common,
Redenhall with Harlesston, Norfolk
HO107/758/27/Redenhall With Harleston
Charles NOTT, 55, Ag Lab
Mary Nott, 15
John Nott, 10
Charles Nott, 2

Living Nearby are;
Sarah FLEGG, 27
Mary SHEPHERD, 55
CAROLINE Shepherd, 12

Trish

[shirl100]

This might be her birth registration Depwade District (which covers Harelston) q/e Sep 1856 vol b page 184 Shepheard Maria - from freebmd

Shirl

[trish1120]

Carolines Baptism is on FreeREG also, Mother a Pauper.
Notes, Illegitimate Daughter.

[shirl100]

Hi again

On freereg Caroline's full baptism record at Pulham St Mary Magdalene 22 Mar 1829, mother Mary Shepherd, father occupation pauper, notes illegitimate daughter

Shirl

[schnortles]

Brief excerpt from a book I am writing about Harleston Common which has some info about Mary Sheppard/herd

Sarah Flegg, tenant here in 1839, is listed with Mary Shepherd I and her assumed daughter, Caroline (12) in 1841.  Caroline's full baptism record at Pulham St Mary Magdalene 22 Mar 1829, lists mother Mary Shepherd, (father occupation pauper, notes illegitimate daughter) According to the Arch deacon's transcripts a Mary Shepherd had her illegitimate son Richard baptised on April 7th 1809 in Redenhall. Mary, aged 55, may well be the same Mary Shepherd who, along with three children, was offered free small pox innoculations by the parish in June1820 after 'the death of Geo Pulford of Needham earlier that month.  She refused! By 1851 Mary Shepherd has married Charles Nott (ex 512). The combined family move to 524 where in 1851 Charles (Ag Lab), is listed with wife Mary, (step)daughter Caroline Shepherd (23 – unmarried!) and ‘granddaughter’ Emma Shepherd(4) - probably Caroline’s illegitimate daughter (far from unheard of on The Common - at least 4 other cases appear in the censi!)

To further the confusion a (different) Mary Shepherd II appears with a daughter (in law?) Sarah in 1861 in what was formerly Charles Nott’s house (512) whilst widowed Mary Nott is living elsewhere with Caroline, Emma and another assumed illegitimate child Maria (4) ! By 1871 Mary Nott, (ex Shepherd I) is a widowed pauper living in Duke William Lane (now Candlers Lane) with two granddaughters:- Emma (24 - dressmaker) and Maria Shepherd (14 - day servant). Are they full sisters, half sisters, cousins, who was/were their father(s) and what has happened to their assumed mother Caroline Shepherd - all a bit of a mystery!

[trish1120]

Hi all,

Quote  from me earlier;
1841 Census
Common,
Redenhall with Harlesston, Norfolk
HO107/758/27/Redenhall With Harleston
Charles NOTT, 55, Ag Lab
Mary Nott, 15
John Nott, 10
Charles Nott, 2

Living Nearby are;
Sarah FLEGG, 27 **
Mary SHEPHERD, 55
CAROLINE Shepherd, 12

Sarah Flegg is actually 87, born c 1754

Possible Marriage;
William FLEGG, Widower
Sarah SHEPHARD
20 April 1798, All Saints, Alburgh, Norfolk

Caroline may have Married 1864;
FreeBMD has a Marriage but no Spouse named
Familysearch.Org has him as John STRUTT


1871 Census
Eyke, Suffolk
RG10/1763/36/11
John STRUTT, 29, Head, Mar, Chimney Sweep,  born Harleston, Norfolk
CAROLINE Strutt, 35, Wife, Mar, born Harleston
William Strutt, 6, Son, born Harleston
Patience Strutt, 1, Daug, born Harleston

1881 John is down as age 59 (image is 39) and Caroline born c 1836 Harleston

Cant find Caroline in 1891 but there is a Death Reg, June 1886 Woodbridge age 60 (birth c 1826) for a Caroline Strutt  and a John Strutt Death Reg Woodbridge, Dec 1888 age 47 (birth c 1841)
So looks like them to me.

Patience Strutt seems to have Married James GOUDIE 1889 in London, 1891 she is born c 1870 Woddbridge.

To confirm this;
1901 Census
Woodbridge, Suffolk
RG13/1786/92/10
William STROUDT, 40, Head, Single, Chimney Sweep, born Halston, Norfolk
Ann PARKER, 58, Housekeeper, Widow, Hosuekeeper, born Buley, Suffolk
Florence GOUDIE, 9, Neice, born London, Hammersmith

Trish