Donagher - Kildare - Dublin

[Kiltaglassan]

Patrick died on 14 October 1956 aged 67 in the civilian canteen in the Curragh and was listed as a clerk – so perhaps he was working for the Army as a civilian clerk. He died of coronary thrombosis. Joe is listed as his son and in attendance at the time of death.

Here's the link-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1956/04406/4147781.pdf

Patrick died on the 14th and Joseph registered the death on the 22nd, but it only says that Joseph as 'son of deceased' was the registrant. He was not present at the death - his address given as Courtwood, Ballybrittas, Leix.


Edited to Add:

Margaret died on 16 February 1930 – aged 39. Interestingly her husband is described as a soldier but this may be because he was a clerk in the Army(?).

Link-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1930/04923/4336744.pdf

[sweetpea1]

yes you are correct re Joe not being present at the death.
A puzzle is that Jane is listed at age 48 in the 1901 census but is listed at 61 in the 1911 census

[Kiltaglassan]

A puzzle is that Jane is listed at age 48 in the 1901 census but is listed at 61 in the 1911 census

There are several reasons why ages in the 1901 and 1911 Ireland census returns can be inconsistent.

One is age inflation due to the passing of the 1908 Act to pay an old-age pension to people over the age of 70. 

Another is that a great many people back then didn't have the same focus on or care about their birth date as ones today do, and therefore didn’t celebrate birthdays.

As a result, many didn't have an accurate knowledge of their age and many ages on 'formal' documents were simply a guess.

[sweetpea1]

Yes that could be the case.

In reference to Patrick Tracey I think the reference to him being a soldier is incorrect - in the marriage cert he is listed as clerk as he was on Maureen's marriage cert on his death cert the fact that he died in the civilian canteen in the Curragh would all point to him being being a civilian clerk - originally back in 1914 for the British army and later for the Irish Army.

[Sinann]

Haven't read the entire thread so may be repeating info you already have.
Irish Press Tuesday Oct 16 1956
Tracey, Brownstown Curragh Camp..
Patrick, formerly of Derrylea Monasterevan...
Passlands Cemetery (Monasterevan)

Nationalist and Leinster Times, Sat Oct 20 1956

Mr Patrick Tracey a native of......
and a former Quarter Master Sergeant in the Defence Forces died.....
was a former member of the Dublin Brigade, Old IRA....
Mrs Tracey nee Donagher of Inchicooley.....
26 years army service and since retiring 10 years ago he had been attached to the civilian branch at the Curragh Corps of Engineers.

Keeping in mind newspapers aren't always correct, they got my grandfather's military service completely incorrect.

[sweetpea1]

Sinann
Thank you for this - I have not access to the newspaper archive so this is really useful. This is the first mention of him being in the Old IRA  - which is interesting because his daughter, Eileen, married the son of Leo Ring who had fought, with his brothers, in the GPO in 1916. Besides the online archive do you know where I could access the newspapers concerned.

[InfoTracey]

Hi,

These are the parents of Joseph:

Pat Tracy & Rose Melia
John Tracy b. 7 May 1843 of Mountrice [Lackagh] Sp. John Halogen & Catherine Courtaney?. Monasterevan Parish
Joseph Tracy b. 28 Apr 1850 of Maant? Sp. Martin Casly & Mary Murray. Monasterevan Parish
Thomas Tracy b. 6 Mar 1853 of Mullaighanoe [Mullaghroe Lackagh] Sp. Peter? Dunne & Ellen Carty. Monasterevan Parish
Peter Tracy b. 8 Jun 1856 of Wuanorus [Ummeras Lackagh] Sp. Mick Behan & Jane Farrell. Monasterevan Parish (Note: married Elizabeth Danoher? 12 Jan 1914)
John Tracy & Rose Melia
Margaret Tracy b. 24 Oct 1847 of Miantrice Sp. Andrew Conlon & Catherine Melia. Monasterevan Parish

Joseph's brother Thomas was a member of the DMP, which gives an interesting twist to the Ned Broy connection.

Thos Tracey (s. of Patrick Tracey & Rosanna Melia of Co. Kildare) of Green St Barrack m. Catherine Keane (d. of Patrick Keane & Eliza Campbell of Blanchardstown) of Blanchardstown on 16 November 1882 Wit: Bernard Dunn of Tyrone Place & Mary Keane of of Blanchardstown. St. Mary Pro-Cathedral Parish
Thomas Treacy, full [age], bachelor, policeman, lives Green Street Station, (s. of Patrick Treacy, deceased, labourer) married Catherine Kane, full [age], spinster, BLANK profession, lives Blanchardstown Co. Dublin, (d. of Patrick Kane, deceased, labourer) 16 November 1882 RC Cathedral Dublin Wit: Bernard Dunne & Mary Kane [Dublin North PLU] signed her mark

In the 1911 Census, Patrick was living with his uncle Thomas:

1911 Census
Thomas, Treacy, Niall St., 57, M, Arran Quay Dublin (b. Kildare), widower, Retired D U Police
Mary, Treacy, Niall St., 28, F, Arran Quay Dublin - daughter
Patrick, Treacy, Niall St., 22, M, Arran Quay Dublin (b. Kildare – nephew), Railway Clerk

I have not found Patrick in the Military Archives, but it maybe that his records have not been released yet.

Regards,

Dec

[InfoTracey]

Hi,

I should have checked this further. Patrick's uncle Peter was married 12 January 1914 in  Monasterevin and was also on the same marriage registration sheet:

Peter Treacy, full age, widower, farmer, lives Ballagh [is in Coolnafearagh Monasterevin], (s. of Patrick Treacy, deceased, workman) married Elizabeth/Lizzie Donoher, full age, spinster, private life, lives Inchicooley [Inchacooly Lea Laois], (d. of John Donoher, farmer) 12 January 1914 RC Church Monasterevin Wit: Francis Dempsey & Annie Donoher [Monasterevin Athy PLU]

Regards,

Dec

[Kiltaglassan]

Peter Treacy, full age, widower, farmer, lives Ballagh [is in Coolnafearagh Monasterevin]...........

Coolnafearagh townland
https://www.townlands.ie/kildare/west-offaly/monasterevin/monasterevin/coolnafearagh/