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Re: Adoption or not in 1918
« Reply #9 on: Monday 18 November 13 02:27 GMT (UK) »
More details of Patrick up to 1958 here
http://www.zoominfo.com/p/Robin-Tingle/1021510296
from someone else? looking for him.

Photo of Robin's grave here:
http://www.ipernity.com/doc/286273/24479085
and comments can be left.

At the age of 18, Robin's child adopted the stepfather's surname:
http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/41502/pages/5789
and appears to have married and remarried.

I will send you some contact info.

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Re: Adoption or not in 1918
« Reply #10 on: Monday 18 November 13 03:48 GMT (UK) »
Just a side note re the surname.

Percival Sands WILKINSON was born in Islington in 1892. He appears by that surname in censuses.

His brother was Challinor Sands Wilkinson, who married twice as Chaloner W Sands and died in 1954. There were births to both marriages, in case you wanted to follow up Percival's brother's family. There is a reference to Chaloner's 1929 bankruptcy in Hertfordshire here:
http://www.edinburgh-gazette.co.uk/issues/14592/pages/1230/page.pdf
and to his son as executor of perhaps his maternal aunt here:
http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/52852/pages/3943/page.pdf

His mother was Edith Emma Sands who married Frederick James Wilkinson in 1890 and was widowed by 1901, and she and her children lived with her parents. I wonder whether she was really widowed, or estranged and Percival took her surname. Frederick J Wilkinson was a post office clerk in 1891, born in Stoke on Trent c 1861.

Hm, I had discarded the FJ Wilkinson who died in Luton in 1899 aged 40, since he matched a birth there in 1858, and that doesn't match the info in the 1891 census. But according to trees at Ancestry that is the one, husband of Edith Emma Sands and son of Allen Wilkinson and Eliza Challinor ... a marriage that actually happened in Stoke on Trent, sigh. (The Luton one married someone else altogether.)

No birth of a Robin Wilkinson to fit either though. ;)

Much of this may well be known, I've just been poking at it to try to find some clue about Robin and nothing has emerged.
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Re: Adoption or not in 1918
« Reply #11 on: Monday 18 November 13 07:03 GMT (UK) »
My goodness!! There was talk of a child out of wedlock but thought it was further back in history as to confuse matters the official name should be Sands-Wilkinson not Wilkinson-Sands. My great grandmother changed it unofficially when her husband vanished. This information is amazing that you have found. Thank you!!

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Re: Adoption or not in 1918
« Reply #12 on: Monday 18 November 13 08:23 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Janeycanuck ... do you have any more info about Edith Emma Sands? I'm on Ansestry too but my tree has got a bit confused with her side of the family (probably because of the name change). I'd like to trace who her parents/grandparents were.


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Re: Adoption or not in 1918
« Reply #13 on: Monday 18 November 13 09:55 GMT (UK) »
John Sands b. 1-7-1833 Bethnel Green. m. Eliza Ann Sharp b.1831 East Malling. d.mar 1912.
m. 26-6-1862 St.George Hanover child Edith Emma Sands b.2-8-1863 Kensington Bayswater.
d. Luton. m.15-6-1890 St.George,Hanover
1891 census 7 Lysander Grove.
1901 widow with father and mother 4 Chester Place Mews St.George,Hanover Sq.
with Percivel and Challoner
1911 independent means 53 Chelsea Gardens SW with mother,Percivel 7 Challoner

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Re: Adoption or not in 1918
« Reply #14 on: Monday 18 November 13 10:13 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Startt ... can I ask where you found the original information about Patrick and being adopted? Who raised him after my grandfather?

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Re: Adoption or not in 1918
« Reply #15 on: Monday 18 November 13 15:17 GMT (UK) »
I think that's the big question, silversands!

(Later today I'll put together the info I mentioned and send it to you both.)
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Re: Adoption or not in 1918
« Reply #16 on: Monday 18 November 13 15:24 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Janey that will be great

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Re: Adoption or not in 1918
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 19 November 13 19:50 GMT (UK) »
Hi startt & silversands

I'm pleased to see that contact between you has been made between you.

As janeycanuck is corresponding with you off-forum and we don't know what the contents of those messages are, I'll move this post to the 'completed' part of the London & Middlesex boards to prevent duplication of effort.

Your topic won't be deleted, so if anyone else finds the topic in future via a search engine, they can still make contact with you.

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