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Adoption or not in 1918
« on: Thursday 23 August 12 15:38 BST (UK) »
This may not be the correct word for the case of Patrick Percival Wilkinson Sands born January 27th 1915 to Winifred Hannah Sands nee Brown at 57 Cambridge  Gardens,Kensington,London. Winifred died in 1918 during the flu epidemic. The father Percival Wilkinson Sands is in the Army at the time of her death. The father now a widower remarries in 1920 and dies in 1954. Yet when the son marries in 1940 he says his father is dead. Possibly the son was taken in by his mothers parents. My question is as no one new of his existence and he was totally unaware who his father was would it have been official and what form would it have taken.

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Re: Adoption or not in 1918
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 23 August 12 18:38 BST (UK) »
Hi

There was no legal adoption process until 1927. 'Adoptions' before that were usually informal.


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Re: Adoption or not in 1918
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 23 August 12 19:32 BST (UK) »
Thank you that would explain the absence of paperwork.
 It was just on "Who do you think you are", last night they mentioned an official form regarding the transfer of a child from mother to another in 1908.

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Re: Adoption or not in 1918
« Reply #3 on: Friday 24 August 12 08:55 BST (UK) »
Hi

The 1908 Children's Act established the registration of foster parents. It was designed in part to regulate 'baby farming'.

http://www.childrenwebmag.com/articles/child-care-history/‘the-hope-is-in-children-the-times-671908


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Re: Adoption or not in 1918
« Reply #4 on: Monday 18 November 13 00:01 GMT (UK) »
Hi I was hoping you might be able to give me some more information about Patrick Percival Wilkinson-Sands as tonight I have just discovered he is my uncle. My Grandfather was Percival Wilkinson-Sands and he kept Patrick a secret all his life and even my father didn't know the true name of his half brother and only knew he had such a brother after his father had passed away. I would like to find out if Patrick had another brother as there was a rumor that maybe there were 2 sons from my grandfather's first marriage. Also I would love to know if Patrick is still alive as I can't find many records about him. Any help would be much appreciated.

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Re: Adoption or not in 1918
« Reply #5 on: Monday 18 November 13 00:23 GMT (UK) »
Welcome to Rootschat.I expect your aware that Patrick P W Sands left Liverpool aboard The Caledonia with his wife and daughter for Karachi Pakistan in 1954?

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Re: Adoption or not in 1918
« Reply #6 on: Monday 18 November 13 00:33 GMT (UK) »
Yes I did but it was for his career in the RAF. He also went to the US. Last records I could find were of him living in Iver and married to Betty. It's a small world because when it shows him living in Iver my mother was at school there not far from his house.

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Re: Adoption or not in 1918
« Reply #7 on: Monday 18 November 13 01:45 GMT (UK) »
Winifred's name was in fact BROWNE, per the 1914 marriage.
(although her birth was registered as BROWN in Kensington in 1895)

Patrick (actually born Percival P Sands 1915) was the only birth with the surnames Sands-BROWNE and there was only one Sands-BROWN birth before 1918, Lilian in Dartford (without the initial W).

HILL, HOARE, BOND, SIBLY, Cornwall (Devon); DENNIS, PAGE, WHITBREAD, Essex; BARNARD, CASTLE, PONTON, Wiltshire; SANKEY, HORNE, YOUNG, Kent; COWDELL, Bermondsey; COOPER, SMITH, FALLOWELL, WILLEY, Notts; CAMPION, CARTER, CRADDOCK, KENNY, Northants; LITTLER, CORNER, Leicestershire; RUSHLAND, Lincolnshire; MORRISON, Ireland; COLLINS, ?; ... MONCK?

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Re: Adoption or not in 1918
« Reply #8 on: Monday 18 November 13 02:00 GMT (UK) »
Hm, you give the surname as Wilkinson-Sands, silversands. The GRO index shows only three entries for that surname:
a death in 1940 of someone born c1912: Robin J Wilkinson-Sands
a birth in 1940
a marriage in 1951.

The person who died in 1940 in Tenterden district in Kent could have been born Robin J White to an unmarried Ms. White, in Axminster district ... and possibly adopted his father's surname?? No other Robin J to match, but maybe he swapped his names too ...

The person who died in 1940 had married in 1939 as Robin J W Sands and in fact the 1940 birth was to that marriage.

Oh my goodness yes indeed!

http://twgpp.org/information.php?id=3393553

Wilkinson-Sands, Robin John
Cemetery: High Halden (St. Mary) Churchyard
Country: England
Area: Kent
Rank: Captain
Official Number: 85852
Unit: Royal Army Service Corps.
Force: Army
Nationality: British
Details:
19th July 1940. Age 28. Son of Percival and Winifred Hannah Wilkinson-Sands; husband of Margaret Wilkinson-Sands of Upper Norwood Surrey. N.E. of church in new part.

That leaves the birth unaccounted for still, and the age given makes the birth two years before the Sands-Browne marriage ...

And it was his widow who remarried in 1951, and seems to have another child.
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