Missing marriage

[bendywendy]

Frances E Yates, female, 21, DOB 1893 arrived Melbourne 17 Sep 1914 from London aboard the  Borda

1911 England Census

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On the previous census's for Frances she is written down as Ellen, so she may have dropped this name after she arrived in Australia.

Robert William Yates married Harriet Ann Carmichael @ Sculcoates, June 1883 (I have seen on other Ancestry info for public trees that have her middle name as Jane, not sure which is correct)

A bit of a muddle too with a birth reg for Harriet Ann / Jane Carmichael who states she was born Hull, Yks c1863 - only births I can find are these:

Harriet Carmichael @ Sculcoates, Yks Dec 1861
Harriet Ann Carmichael @ Bermondsey, London Sep 1862
Harriett Carmichael @ Newington, Surrey Sep 1863

If she was defo born Hull area then her parents are most likely:
Thomas Carmichael & Eliza K Balmer married St Paul's, Sculcoates 9 Aug 1853 - Thomas's father was also a Thomas Carmichael but no fathers name for Eliza.

Got to go for now, but will complete this later today for you.

bendywendy

[bendywendy]

Hi Lorraine
The following info I have already posted earlier:
1911 census information removed. Only the Original Poster may post details from the 1911 census,  others may give information from the free index only, not the images.
Harriet Jackson, c1885, 26 yrs, District Sculcoates, East Yks
Alfred Jackson, c1882, 29 yrs, ""               ""            ""
Alfred Jackson, c1910, 10mths, ""                 ""         ""
James W B Jackson, c1909, 2 yrs        ""       ""          ""
whilst searching for Robert, Harriet & Annie, I believe I have found Robert living with another family and only a few doors along from his dau Harriet above:

1911 England Census
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Bob Yates, 57, Labourer, County Yorkshire,  c1854 Hull, Yks
I believe this is Robert William Yates, I have cross referenced births for other Robert Yates c1853-1857 Hull and only one entry for RWY.
So was Robert a genuine Boarder or had he left Harriet.
Dau Frances Ellen was in St Mary's Convent on Damson Road, this road almost begins at top of Barnsley St, so they were not far from each other, so where are Harriet & Annie I have ran out of ideas of how to find them on this census
 
1901 cen  Robert, Harriet, Annie Elizabeth, Frances Ellen, Charles Page & Thomas Yates were living at 143 Lime St, again not far from Dansom Lane. Robert was a Dock Side Labourer and Lime St ran alongside the river and on doorstep of many docks at that time.

Children born to Earish father and Yates mother @ Sculcoates:
John H Earish  Jun 1912 Married Margaret Bitton @ Hull Sep 1944
Frances E Earish Sep 1915  Death @ Hull Sep 1916 1 yr
Annie E Earish Jun 1917  Death @ Hull Dec 1917  0 yr
Mona Earish Mar 1919  Married Edward D Dodds @ Darlington, Co Durham, Northumberland Sep 1938

I cannot find a marriage for Annie Elizabeth Earish remarrying to a Smith after her husband's death 1929 nor can I find a death for her, but, what I have found and it could be her are these:


Mrs A E Earish, 48 yrs, arrived 25 Feb 1939 from London, England to Sydney, Australia aboard "Orford"

Her dau Mona married at Darlington, so I wonder if she went to live with them after her husband Henry died, I will look to see if her dau Mona also went to Australia.

Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980
Annie Elizabeth Earish
Electoral Year: 1943 - New South Wales - New England - Walcha
513 Apsley Street

This must be the sister you are searching for that also lived in Australia there are no more entries in this surname nor can I find a marriage to a Smith, can you find anything from your end.

bendywendy

[bendywendy]

Mona Earish married Edward Denny Dodds

England & Wales, Birth Index
Edward D Dodds
MMS: Denny
Sep Q 1916 (from a public tree date is 29 June 1916)
Reg: Darlington, Co. Durham 10a 35

England & Wales Death Index
Edward Denny Dodds 57 yrs
Birth Date:    29 Jun 1916
Reg:   Jun 1973  Blackpool, Lancashire 10b 1265

England & Wales, Birth Index
Mona Earish
MMS: Yates
Mar Q 1919  Sculcoates 9d 246

England & Wales, Death Index
Mona Dodds 51 yrs
Birth Date:   2 Feb 1919
Reg:   Dec 1970 Teesside South, North Yks 1b 1878

It dosen't appear that they went to Australia.

Mona & Edward had 2 children and as they have died I can put their details on here for you:

Brian Dodds born 3 May 1945 Darlington, Durham & died Dec 2005 Stockton, Durham
Joan Dodds born 1947 Hull, Yks & died 5 Oct 2003 Darlington, Co Durham
I have searched for marriages but far too many of same name in same area, although I don't think they did marry.

Darlington West Cemetery - Section R1 Row 4 No 26 - Monumental Inscription of Headstone:
In loving memory of MONA DODDS died 21st Nov 1970 aged 51 years Also her dear husband EDWARD DENNY died 20th April 1973 aged 56 years R I P Also their daughter JOAN died 5th October 2003 aged 56 years  [Flower urn] In loving memory of BRIAN 1945 - 2005

bendywendy

[jan57]

 Wendy  ,     just to   let  you  know   we aren't allowed to  post 1911 census  details   on the forum ,  so  the   Moderators may    remove the 1911  info  ,


http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=355485.0

[aghadowey]

Not just 1911 census- looks like LOTS of cut & paste from subscription sites which also isn't allowed 

[bendywendy]

jan57 & aghadowey.... sorry I forgot to condense the info due to hubby waiting for the comp, gone back n done it now, so off to bed.
b.

[bendywendy]

Lorraine, some more info regarding St Mary's..very interesting too
The Nuns of St Mary's   http://stmaryswiltonstreetpupils.wikifoundry.com/page/The+Nuns+of+St+Mary's

not Damson Lane, but gives some information about education
http://stmaryswiltonstreetpupils.wikifoundry.com/page/About+our+School

b.

[LorrW]

Hi Bendy Wendy,

Hope you got to sleep.😀 That was very interesting reading. I am plotting all the details dates  and names today and putting the picture together with all the details I now have. Many thanks.

The mystery of Annie's death still remains ...no records in Australia in either Ernish or Smith. I can understand that she may have come to Australia in 1939 as both remaining children were married and her husband dead. She would have wanted to try to see her sister.  Very interesting that one of the children who died was called Frances E so it is likely she was close to her sister.

I certainly have to plan a trip soon to UK. We were there in 1980 but without this knowledge.

I also hope for a reply from Ancestry family tree.

Cheers
Lorraine

[bendywendy]

Good morning
Have you found anything for Mona's brother John H Earish and his children, I think this is his death:
John Henry Earish at Hull Mar 1982 aged 69 yrs DOB April 1912
I cannot find a death for his wife Margaret - I wonder if she is still living, I have found a private tree on An*****y giving year of birth as 1924 Yorkshire and no death date, so she could still be living.
Looks like they had two daughters which you can find on the Freebmd site I sent you using just the surnames, they could still be living as born 1945 & 1952.
The 1945 one married 1971 @ Hull - looks like a dau 1973 & son 1979 Hull
The 1952 one married 1980 @ Hull - looks like a son 1981 Hull
So this means you have more relatives in Hull area 

I wonder if Annie's surname could have been misunderstood as Irish, try different variations and see what you can find for marriage n death.