John Richardson's Marriage to an Ann, born Greasbrough

[NoodlesRS]

Hi there - this is my first "Yorkshire" posting and am hoping someone can help trace an ancestor -John Richardson, born 1826 in Sheffield to an "Ann" born Greasbrough (c1829).    The marriage year, going on ages, should be between 1847/1849 -their first child being born 1849.

Their first child -Sarah Ann Richardson -was born 1849 and her birth shown as  Sand Pitt Lock, Balby,Doncaster (this could be a wrong Sarah Ann registration because all subsequent children were born Sheffield).  Sheffield was where the family lived, certainly from 1851, and John and his family before that.  However I have kept Doncaster in mind for a marriage search.

I have found several Anns' in Family Search born Greasbrough in the peiod 1829/1830 and even expanded back to 1826 although Ann's Census birth years are pretty contstant 1829/1831 and even a death registration aged 38 in 1869 backs this up. I cannot tie any of the Anns to a Richardson marriage.

Of course she may have been a Mary Ann or even Hannah, but everything points to plain 'Ann'.

I have concentrated on a marriage area of Sheffield - Greasbrough(Rotherham) - and as mentioned  Doncaster (going on Sarah Ann's birthplace). None have been successful nor a wider search of the West Riding and for that matter Yorkshire in general. I have no reason to believe the marriage was other than Yorkshire.

If anyone has any ideas or can point me in the right direction I would be most grateful.

Noodles

[groom]

Hi Noodles

Assuming Ann did come from Greasborough, that came under the Rotherham registration district. There seems to be only one marriage of  a John Richardson to an Ann there between 1840 and 1849 and that was in 1845. Unfortunately there are two brides with the name Ann - Ann Hepelstone and Ann Nothard. There are at least 28 other marriages to a John Richardson to an Ann elsewhere in Yorkshire.

The best way to find Ann's maiden name would be to get one of the children's birth certificates. That way you could be certain that you have the correct family and that would make it easier to trace the marriage.


Jan

[NoodlesRS]

Hi Jan, many thanks for your very prompt response. 

I have had both Ann Hepelstone & Nothard short-listed for some time and for that matter no doubt, many of the spouses shown in the 28 marriages you mention. They all fall down in some way, particularly on the Greasbrough birthplace and/or Ann's age & Marriage year range.

Sending for a birth certificate for one of the children does seems the only move remaining; I just hate hitting a brick wall and of course incurring the expense.

I say this because I have just succumbed in ordering two birth certificates to resolve a similar problem. Although not Richardsons, they were only once removed family which gave the same problem of being unable to pin down maiden names and marriages.

I fall else fails, and it looks very much like that will happen, then I will have to bite the bullet and send for a Certificate.

Many thanks for your help.

Noodles

[mandyjf]

I just found your post. A few years ago, someone researched the Richardsons the old fashioned way ie pre- Internet, and came up with a wife called Hannah Goldsborough. Unfortunately I cannot prove this right now but I am looking into how this name was reached. There is indeed a Hannah Goldsborough from Greasborough. John and Ann/ Hannah are my 3x great grandparents.

[groom]

Hi

Hannah Goldsborough isn't a very common name and according to Freebmd there were only 3 marrying between 1837 and 1861, all in Yorkshire. None of the grooms listed were John Richardson though. There is only one Ann Goldsborough and she didn't marry a Richardson either.

[NoodlesRS]

Have just read your responses and wish to thank you. I am engrossed at this time with another genealogical conundrum, but will return to my John Richardson marrying an Ann problem quite soon after refreshing my memory what conclusions were reached back in August.  I will then respond to the points raised.  Compliments of the season! (sounds a bit old fashioned, must be my age)

[NoodlesRS]

Took a break from my other research as I found extensive notes I wrote in my TribalPages website about John and Ann.  I found another Researcher back in September (via Ancestry) and between us pieced together that most likely (the stronger of the options) my John Richardson -a Steel furnace labourer from Sheffield - married Ann Moreland in SHEFFIELD in 1844. (Not Rotherham 1845 to either Ann Nothard or Ann Hepinstall/Hepelstone).   FOR: the coincidences of the children(most important for family tie ins) born to the union (shown in Censuses and between our two Trees) with a couple I did not have : AGAINST: (by own conclusions), multiple Censuses record her born 1826 Guisborough (Rotherham) and I cannot (or rather could not when the notes were written) find a satisfactory birth registration.   I concluded her age (again deduced from Censuses +/-)  must be significantly different or her birthplace was different (Doubtful). I decided she must remain on the back burner for the time being as an Ann Unknown married to John Richardson (Jnr) born 1826 in Sheffield to a John Richardson (Snr) born 1803 & Charlotte Eyre 1802.  I will now bring this research again to the fore and see where it leads, meanwhile if anyone has any ideas I will be pleased to ear from you.

[mandyjf]

I cannot find a contact for the person who gave the original Hannah Goldsbrough suggestion. However, the 1861 census for John Richardson's parents lists an Ann Richardson, daughter from Greasborough. As it also says she's married, I think this is Anne wife of Richard ie daughter in law, and some of the younger children on the census may be hers (Charlotte too old even though listed as hers). With this in mind, I found two of these children baptized as Protestants in St Vincents RC in Sheffield; dates tally, mother 'Ann Gooldy' and father John Richardson. Also, a year before Sarah was born, there was a marriage between John Richardson and a Hannah Goulden in Sheffield. The only Hannah in Greasborough baptisms even close to these names is Hannah Goldsbrough. I await Sarah's birth certificate!

[NoodlesRS]

The 1861 Census shows John & Charlotte as  parents (of John Richardson Jnr) with their 3 youngest children: Elizabeth 21, George 20, & Frederick 17.  Ann Richardson is as you correctly identify Ann (Unknown) married to John Richardson Jnr who is missing.   There is controversy with the children  Matilda, Martha, Charlotte, Harriet & Thomas. I believe the first 4 are children of John Richardson Jnr & Ann(a 5th child Sarah Ann born 1849 is missing and believed possibly deceased). Thomas aged 6 is I believe John & Charlotte's Grandson, son of their son Thomas' married to Eliza Wild.

I am interested in the two children shown as baptised in Sheffield (which two?) and the mother named as Ann Gooldy which is the first mention of this surname for the Ann married to John Richardson Jnr.
You refer to Sarah (born circa 1849)who was not present in the 1861 Census (nor the 1851 for that matter) and marriage between a John Richardson and a Hannah Goulden before she was born?  (Gooldy v Goulden quite possible) which rouses my curiosity as does the awaiting for Sarah's birth certificate?

You have been most helpful and whilst I will look into these matters further I also  look forward to hearing from you again in due course.   Many Thanks for now.