Dublin City Records

[KD146]

Are those early records on irishgenealogy all that is available, or are there further records from those parishes not online?

I have found many ancestors there, but there are equally as many from the same inner city areas who do not appear.


Topic Split from : Records before 1812

[shanew147]

Are those early records on irishgenealogy all that is available, or are there further records from those parishes not online?

I have found many ancestors there, but there are equally as many from the same inner city areas who do not appear.

dates available and dates covered are different for each parish and denomination - which specific parishes are you interested in ?



S.

[KD146]

Sorry to hijack someone else's thread, but it's all relevant to the same thing. (Mod Note - topic split)

I have found loads of family in the St. Nicholas (RC), Harrington Street and St. Catherine districts.  However, there are large gaps too, with baptisms available but no marriages, marriages available but no baptisms, and burials in Glasnevin from the same families but no record at all on irishgenealogy.

I just wondered were these baptisms and marriages not recorded, were the original record books damaged or destroyed or illegible, or are the contents of irishgenealogy incomplete for these districts.

It is tantalising to find new family members, but then find some marriages are not there, or some baptisms.  Period 1800 to 1900.

[shanew147]

Records for St. Nicholas RC on IrishGenealogy go back to the 1740s for baptisms and 1760s for marriages. Browsing the records on IrishGenealogy shows baptisms and marriages covered for each decade up to 1880.

See : List of current records

To confirm what dates the parish actually has records for, see the NLI Film Index or the Irish Times website - see : Dublin City RC Parishes  The dates for St. Nicholas seem to correspond.

Known gaps or problems with legibility are often mentioned on the NLI Index, and/or the Irish Times. e.g. St. Nicholas baptisms have a gap between 1752 and 1767. There's a gap in the marriages for St. Catherine's for 1793 and part of 1794, the marriage records for 1799 are described as 'scraps'

Few RC parishes recorded death/burials.


Shane

[KD146]

All of the records I am presently scouring are post-1800, even towards the mid to late 1800s.

I am very lucky that generations of my grandfathers, going back to 1818, appear on irishgenealogy, and all their offspring.  However, is it not strange that almost NO marriages appear for any of their large numbers of siblings and families, so their records all begin and end with a baptism.  All dead ends so far on my tree.  Yet my second great grandfather appears as a sponsor on literally dozens of other marriages in the area, to names I cannot link into my tree.

In other branches of the tree, I have marriages in the mid to late 1800s, with parents documented, yet there are no baptism records, and the families were definitely in those parishes.

I would expect gaps here and there, but there are literally dozens of individuals in the St. Nicholas, St. Catherine and Harrington Street districts, whose baptisms should surely be there somewhere, in the 1800s, yet are not to be found, under any spelling variation.  People who appear in the census in 1901, and people whose burials are recorded in Glasnevin.  Who never moved out of that city area.  But no baptism records.  That is quite a large margin of error.  Do other people find such glaring holes in their searches?

[shanew147]

If you have particular date ranges that are of interest you can browse images of many of the registers - to check for mis-transscriptions, and also to check for gaps. Viewing the image is also useful for picking up details which are not usually transcribed - e.g. notes in the margins, residences of the witnesses etc

e.g. to check marriages in St. Nicolas from the start of 1860 start with this link :

  http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/reels/st.nicholas_mf_1822-1880_ma_0151.pdf

to move to the next page change the last part of the web page address or URL to _0152.pdf. That way you can check for dates skipping, gaps in page numbers etc.



S.

[KD146]

Many thanks for your interest and help, much appreciated. Are you suggesting there would be a lot of marriages and baptisms in those imaged records that would not have been transcribed at all? Its worth a try, many thanks for the hint.

[shanew147]

Many thanks for your interest and help, much appreciated. Are you suggesting there would be a lot of marriages and baptisms in those imaged records that would not have been transcribed at all? Its worth a try, many thanks for the hint.

Allowing for the usual faded and semi-legible register pages I've found the transcriptions in general to be quite good, but you can confirm accuracy and coverage vs the dates available by double checking the images, where these are available.

I have to say from I think I'd read another possibility from your your clues - if I'm not finding records for a family in a particular parish, then I'd think that maybe they were living elsewhere at the time - providing of course the dates are covered by available records and transcripts.

One complication I've found is that some families moved around a bit, particularly in cities, another relates to IrishGenealogy, which does not include records for one of the larger RC parishes in the City - i.e. St. Paul's Arran Quay. This can account for some gaps.

There are always events that miss the written records, but by the mid to late 1800s the RC registers for the City are usually more complete, as well as more detailed (e.g. mother's names on marriages etc). For births and marriages between 1864 and about 1880 there are also many extracted civil records available on FamilySearch, which can provide clues - e.g. date, names, general area etc

Other possibilities for missing details that often crop up would be people moving to the city either from outside the city or county, and also emigration, or moving to other parts of Ireland.  Infant mortality was also quite high among the less well off, so can account for not finding marriages for known children.


Shane

[DaveCol]

I had a few missing records as well, but they turned out to have been registered in Latin so they were more difficult to find. I used the * in the search function and found them eventually