denis crowley/dunmanway/dublin.?

[Sonas]

Hi Antlad, I did look at this some more using records freely available on Family Search and Irish Genealogy (looking at the Crowley family) and couldn't find anything disproving that they could not be the same person. Not the same though as proving them to be the same! Do you have the marriage cert for the parents of Denis in Dunmanway? I was wondering if the name of the husband's father there matches up with the name of the grandfather on the 1901 census. Looking at the census, the name Crowley does not really seem to exist in Monaghan. Not sure what you mean by Downmanaghanway. If you're talking about Irish language translations it would be Dún Mánmhaí for Dunmanway and Muineachán for Monaghan.

[antlad]

Sonas,one fella says Dun manway, then the next one says,i think he said down Monaghan way,it probably suited Denis/Dan to let it roll that way, and i don't doubt he completed the 1911 census himself,accents etc-.like: send reinforcements we're going to advance, became, send three and fourpence we're going to a dance.The family details are on the 1901 castle st census., minus  his deceased parents ,Denis Crowley/Julia Bernard/Barnane/ Crowley,of main st dun manway.There are a couple of discrepancies on the marriage(1911),the g.r.o. went sure if it read Denis Crowley or crawly,the Ellen Burke  bit probably half o.k.,she said her father,(Patrick Burke)deceased was a cork-cutter,i suspect that was a reference/joke;re Dan/Denis - Cork.Ellen's sister Christina married William Rattigan in the same church in 1909, she said Patrick Burke was a labourer,corkcutter was a trade.anyway thanks again sonas.antlad

[Lindajane]

Denis / Daniel was not connected to that Dunmanway family. He was born to parents who travelled around fairs. He was born in Castleblayney Monaghan as “Crolley or Crolly” (I would need to check), as that was where they resided at the time. They spent a good bit of time around Drogheda and in Dublin, close to Meath Street.. as did other members of the family including Clarkes. His father Denis was a ballad singer who died in a workhouse in 1897. His mother Laura Clarke, daughter of a showman called John and a mother Mary Anne McCormack who had a history of entertainment industry). By 1901 she was with three of her other children, Victor, Augustine and her new baby with Michael Ryan in lodgings in Cavan. She later married her Ryan husband but he was in the papers for kicking 6 year old Victor in the back. There were orders for children to be removed etc. Daniel / Denis likely resided in an industrial school in 1901. Dennis / Daniel names many of his children after his siblings and other ancestors.

[Kiltaglassan]

Denis / Daniel was not connected to that Dunmanway family. He was born to parents who travelled around fairs. He was born in Castleblayney Monaghan as “Crolley or Crolly” (I would need to check), as that was where they resided at the time. They spent a good bit of time around Drogheda and in Dublin, close to Meath Street.. as did other members of the family including Clarkes. His father Denis was a ballad singer who died in a workhouse in 1897. His mother Laura Clarke, daughter of a showman called John and a mother Mary Anne McCormack who had a history of entertainment industry).
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Is this his birth record?
Born 3 December 1889 in Castleblayney.
His father Denis Crolly, a ballad singer.
Mother Laura MN McCormack.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1889/02456/1912783.pdf

[Lindajane]

Yes, but she made a mistake on that record and used her mother’s maiden name instead of her own… or she chose to do it. They are generally of no known address. Laura was calling her second husband her husband years before they married and I think she calls herself Lizzie Ryan in the 1901 census. Her children were the only reason I found her. Her first marriage does not appear to be registered.  They were not always on the right side of the law!