denis crowley/dunmanway/dublin.?

[antlad]

re Denis/Daniel Crowley,dun manway/Dublin?-on the Dublin 1911 census he gives his county of origin as Monaghan,he cannot be found ,Monaghan has been searched .he hardly said to whoever filled in the Dublin 1911 census,dun manway, and suppose he thought he said down Monaghan Way,i;vie seen some good ones during my very amateur research,any help much appreciated

[shanew147]

re Denis/Daniel Crowley,dun manway/Dublin?-on the Dublin 1911 census he gives his county of origin as Monaghan
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he hardly said to whoever filled in the Dublin 1911 census,dun manway, and suppose he thought he said down Monaghan Way
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Daniel could read & write, and filled in his own details on the census 1911 form.

link for reference : Crowley household - Ash St.


Shane

[antlad]

 thanks shane ,maybe the different accents had a part in the story,he married Mary Ellen Burke in Francis st church in Jan 1911,she was a flower seller up Grafton st,lots of child er,one of which was my grandfather, Augustine.to be honest i have discovered some discrepancies(porkies)here and there,maybe he deliberately said Monaghan in 1911,the Denis I suspect,is baptised dun manway,child of ,Denis Crowley and Julia Barnane ,main st , then orphaned at castle st 1901,then ,thanks again Shane.

[Sonas]

Antlad, reading your two threads together I don't grasp what you know for sure. From the information you have given so far, it's difficult to see how the two census entries relate to the same person - first name, county of origin and date of marriage all differ from information you have posted.

Which, if either, of the two census entries definitely relates to your great-grandfather?

Do you have the January 1911 marriage cert (I don't see an entry on FamilySearch either for the marriage)? What is the bridegroom's name as given on it and what is his father's name? As January 1911 is so close to census date, have you checked the address(es) given on the marriage cert to see if still living there on census night?

[antlad]

thanks sonas,my gt gr father's name was denis/daniel crowley.he'not on the 1901 census for dublin or monaghan.he appears on the dublin 1911 census in ash st,aged 21, stating that he comes from monaghan.i have searched monaghan,no joy.i have his marriage cert,he states that his father's name was denis'deceased,both parents deceased.   we are told that he came from cork.                                                  there is a denis crowley in castle st dunmanway in 1901 aged 11,orphaned with an older brother john.both parents are deceased,i found them.this denis from castle st father's name was also denis, then he is absent from dunmanway in 1911.                                                                                                              coincidence,same name,same age,same father's name,both parents deceased,missing from dunmanway  census,turns up on dublin 1911 census.   i'm trying to find out if castle st denis left dunmanway between 1901 and 1911 ,he's the main suspect at the minute. many thanks sonas.                                                                                                    ,             

[antlad]

thanks sonas,the daniel crowley,ash st on the dublin 1911 census is my  gt grand/f.                                                    denis crowley married ellen burke,10th jan 1911, st nicholas ,both give 9 upr kevin st as their address.                        on the census not too long after,they've moved,and so it was until 1958 and 1960,every documant i've seen has a different address on it,he's,daniel crowley,denis crowley,denis crawley,daniel crawley,even daniel crolly,the mystery man.thanks again sonas.

[Sonas]

There is this which you might have already seen https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KMS9-2XD

Have you got anything that links your Denis Crowley to Mayo?

How do you explain discrepancy about duration of marriage on the census? Did they definitely have a son called Patrick as on census? How do you know that Denis in Dunmanway in 1901 was an orphan? Sorry about all the questions but I'm kind of anal about proof of links between people and I still feel like I'm missing something here. He really needs to have told absolute lies on the census for all this to hang together.

[antlad]

thanka sonas,i cannot explain the birth of patrick,his age,nor the length of time denis/daniel crowley and ellen burke were to-gether before marrying in jan 1911.i do'nt know if patrick's regst surname was burke or crowley.castle st denis's parents were denis crowley and julia bernard(barnane) crowley,i found both their deaths  ,denis the father died within weeks of the birth,julia the mother died soon after.thanks for the prison info,interesting,the dublin denis is in dublin ,getting on with things,ellen having childer all through married years.now i'm thinking. ,thanks again sonas.

[antlad]

Sonas,I have followed up the info/tip you sent me.It looks to me that the Denis on the 1901 Dunmanway  census is the same (Daniel) man on the 1911 Ash/Ashe street Dublin census.Based on the new info, I believe the Monaghan bit is relevant to Dunmanway ,(downmanaghanway) , + at the time he filled in the 1911 census,he probably felt it appropriate to be inaccurate with the info he provided,he was also known as' Sham'(nickname), Meantime I will continue to piece the jigsaw to-gether,thanks again for your pointer,Antlad.