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Records of Working Class Men
« on: Thursday 16 August 12 20:31 BST (UK) »
Hi All,
Please can you tell me if / when working class men started to show up reliably in records, e.g. electoral registers and local directories?

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Timoth
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Re: Records of Working Class Men
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 16 August 12 21:38 BST (UK) »
It would depend by what you mean by showing up reliably?Occupations of all sorts of people are shown in the 1881 census.

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William Russell Jones.
Jones, Griffiths. Stephens, Parry, Gabriel, Conway, Hughes, Evans, Roberts, Lea, Hanmer. Peake, Edwards. Newnes, Davies. Thomas. "Blythin".
All North Wales.
Conway, Durber, Cartlidge, Lovatt, Bebington. Brindley, Sankey, Brunt. Dean. Clewes. Rhodes. Mountford,Walker,Bache, "Gibbons"Hood. Taylor
All Stoke-on-Trent.
Francis - Nantwich Cheshire.
Dennell - Cheshire/Staffordshire.
Talbot-Shropshire
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« Reply #2 on: Thursday 16 August 12 22:15 BST (UK) »
Speaking personally I have Colliers among my Conway ancestors.They show pretty reliably back in records to 1772!

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William Russell Jones.
Jones, Griffiths. Stephens, Parry, Gabriel, Conway, Hughes, Evans, Roberts, Lea, Hanmer. Peake, Edwards. Newnes, Davies. Thomas. "Blythin".
All North Wales.
Conway, Durber, Cartlidge, Lovatt, Bebington. Brindley, Sankey, Brunt. Dean. Clewes. Rhodes. Mountford,Walker,Bache, "Gibbons"Hood. Taylor
All Stoke-on-Trent.
Francis - Nantwich Cheshire.
Dennell - Cheshire/Staffordshire.
Talbot-Shropshire
Census Information Is Crown Copyright,from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: Records of Working Class Men
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 16 August 12 22:33 BST (UK) »
Further to William's comments, if you are concerned with electoral registers, then it might be worth looking at (via Google for example)  the Representation of the People Acts 1884 and 1918.

Also, the definitions of 'working class' are numerous. Some of my nearest and dearest have spent their whole academic careers on the subject. The Registrar General brings out a listing with every census which defines the  occupational categories used for the analysis of census data.
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Re: Records of Working Class Men
« Reply #4 on: Friday 17 August 12 18:28 BST (UK) »
Thank you both. 

I am more concerned with the electoral registers, and other sources of info for the years in between the censuses, and specifically the 1900s. 

Having looked at some web based info, it would seem to me unlikely that any of my male ancestors would have been eligible to vote before 1918, being bricklayers. 

Trades directories...?  It doesn't seem likely to me....  Any ideas?

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Re: Records of Working Class Men
« Reply #5 on: Friday 17 August 12 19:07 BST (UK) »
Hi Tim

Tracing relatives after 1911 is more difficult, even if they were posh!  I've manged to find most of my ancestors (like William, mostly coal miners or ag labs) through local newspapers, trades unions, etc. Also, diaries,  letters and memories that have been passed down.

Are you interested in just tracing your ancestors or are you more inteested in a wider class study?

I am assuming that you've checked the BMDs for your lines :)


PS - I could give you a long list of refs to  studies of the  'working class' in the 20th century  but they would be anonymised studies.

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Re: Records of one Working Class Man in Particular
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 29 August 12 21:05 BST (UK) »
 ;D Ha ha ha, Thank you, Brevitas.... It's one part of my family that I am interested in, although I have been known to read research papers about social history on very rare occasions.... 

Around 1908, something happened in my family that lead to all of them except my GGF staying in institutions for ten or more years.  There are lots of fanciful stories about my GGF, but none of them mention that he suddenly moved with his family to Bournemouth, as I recently discovered, shortly before he went a.w.o.l. from his family.   He was a bricklayer, so I maybe he thought that the Bournemouth housing boom seemed attractive....  But my family's stories about his fate don't make mention of this move - They had been in S.E.London / Croydon and that's where they went after being in the workhouse. GGF was born in Horsham and after two spells in Christchurch workhouse, the family (minus GGF) were sent there.

I checked out Dorchester Archives, and there was no sign of GGF going into the Christchurch workhouse, (as GGM and children did), or going to Jail or lunatic asylum.   (No address or discharge dates for GGM and children, although the second admission was just GGM and youngest child, suggesting that someone was looking after the other children).

I can find no good match for GGF's death  in BMD. (William [no middle names] CHAMPION, B: DQ1882 Horsham 2b322).

For me, there is some uncertainty that he had the where-with-all to do anything more elaborate than move in with another woman, (leaving has wife and five children to the Poor Law!).  GGF is not in 1911 census, but did he vanish/emigrate, or is it the paucity of records for 'ordinary' blokes from nearly 100 years ago?

My life is about to become busier than ever, and I had told myself that I was going to draw a line under the family tree, so to speak.... But I seem not to be able to let dead GGF's lie, just yet.

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Timoth
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