Phillip and Kate Levy Holland and England

[sianb]

According to evidence from the 1871, 1891 and 1901 English census, Phillip bc 1820 and Kate Levybc 1829 were both born in Holland, married in Holland and had their 5 children ( Leah b c.1853, Anne bc 1854, Henry bc. 1856, Clara bc 1858, Rachel bc 1861), in Holland before coming to England between 1862 and 1871. (last child born c1861 and not on UK 1861 census).
I have looked on Genlias and every other Dutch site (and associated Jewish sites) I can find and can find no evidence for either the parents or children. I've tried variations on first names and surnames. I've looked for passenger lists, Alien arrivals.
 I can find no evidence of their births, marriage or children's births, or entry into the U.K.
Has anyone got any other suggestions. Got to the tearing my hair out stage!
Thank you.

[sianb]

Well, it would appear that everyone is as stumped by this as I am. Que sera, sera!

[jorose]

There are several areas which are not well covered on Genlias.
Have you traced all the children forward - do any of them indicate at any point where in Holland they came from?

[sianb]

Hi Jorose. On the earlier censuses they all write Holland, but on the later ones Amsterdam, Holland. I've got to the point now where I'm thinking they must have had other names as well. It's quite common for Jewish people to have their religious name and an every day name which is different. I've tried cross referencing any Phillips and Kate (any variations), and with any of the children's names, but no luck as yet.

[choppies]

I found this:
http://www.genlias.nl/nl/searchDetail.jsp?val=14&xtr=16346247&vgr=1
and this:
http://www.genlias.nl/nl/searchDetail.jsp?val=16&xtr=16346061&vgr=1
on Genlias.  Similar names and dates but difficult to say if it's your people.  Good luck!

[choppies]

Looks like those links didn't work.  Her are the details:

Detail result: (Father)

Source  Civil register - Birth 
Archive location  Centraal Bureau voor Genealogie (voor Nationaal Archief) 
General Municipality: Overschie
Type of record: Geboorteakte
Record number: 46
Registration date: 06-05-1853 
Child Marianne Levie
Gender: V
Abandoned child: N
Date of birth: 06-05-1853
Place of birth: Overschie 
Father Philippus Levie 
Mother Lena Goetman 

Detail result: (Father)

Source  Civil register - Birth 
Archive location  Centraal Bureau voor Genealogie (voor Nationaal Archief) 
General Municipality: Overschie
Type of record: Geboorteakte
Record number: 83
Registration date: 08-12-1855 
Child Hijmans Levie
Gender: M
Abandoned child: N
Date of birth: 07-12-1855
Place of birth: Overschie 
Father Philippus Levie 
Mother Lena Goetman 

[jorose]

When their children married, did they do so in a synagogue? If so there may be further records beyond the civil marriage certificate (I am not the person to ask for details, but there are people either here or on Jewish genealogy sites who can help).

Amsterdam marriages, but not births, are currently on Genlias.
The closest I can find are ones with the patronymic as "Levie" or similar.

e.g. Philip Levie van der Velde m.  Grietje Nathan Drukker 1850 Amsterdam
 (there are two other marriages around the same time that could be possibles but both those had children who married in Amsterdam in the 1870s - this couple did not).

http://www.dutchjewry.org/amsterdam_inhabitants/JOODS_list.asp
 - here there are listed at the same street (Rusland) / page (535)
Filip Levie Velden, v.d.  (b. 1821-09-26 )
Grietje Nathan Drukker (b. 1829-08-22 )
Leentje Levie Velden, v.d.  (b. 1852-04-11)
Naatje Philip Velden, v.d. (b.  1854-09-25 )

v.d. stands for "van der", and the middle name should be the father's name; Leentje  = "Leah" and Naatje = "Ann"?

familysearch.org/ does have the "Netherlands, Civil Registration, 1792-1952" records but only as images (not name searchable, but there are some indexes).  You might be able to find the births for the kids there.

[sianb]

Thankyou Jorose and choppies for your help. I'll have a look again at the weekend (no time til then) But thank you for your time and effort. Sian