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Re: Scottish/Spanish ties
« Reply #36 on: Wednesday 15 August 12 11:25 BST (UK) »

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Re: Scottish/Spanish ties
« Reply #37 on: Wednesday 15 August 12 11:29 BST (UK) »

I'm sure I've read that article somewhere before....




The Scotsman has been running a series of articles about the DNA of the Scottish population, based on ongoing research, and here is today's latest instalment -

http://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/heritage/scotland-s-dna-tracing-the-nation-s-ancestral-history-1-2465715

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Re: Scottish/Spanish ties
« Reply #38 on: Wednesday 15 August 12 12:00 BST (UK) »
The author's book on the subject is "The Scots, a Genetic Journey" by Moffat & Wilson. Birlinn.
I'm half way through, very good too.

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Re: Scottish/Spanish ties
« Reply #39 on: Thursday 30 August 12 14:51 BST (UK) »
I am an Australian with a strong celtic background.Mostly Irish & Scottish with some Cornish & Welsh.My Grandfathers family had an Irish background.They mostly had black hair & blue eyes but did not have fair skin.I also have this colouring.It has been in our family for 5 generations.I have been mistaken for European many times especially Italian & was once told by a fair Spanish woman I looked more Spanish than her.I was always told we had a Spanish ancestor also but havent been able to find one so far.Some Irish & Scottish have dark colouring they are not all fair.


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Re: Scottish/Spanish ties
« Reply #40 on: Thursday 30 August 12 19:42 BST (UK) »
Yes, as I said before, it's odd how people seem to think that fair hair and blue eyes are somehow the norm, and dark colouring is a sign of foreign blood. In Britain as a whole, true blondes are probably in the minority. Even in Sweden and Germany, two countries I have lived and worked in, not everybody is blonde and blue-eyed by a long chalk. I lived in a village on the Lower Rhine in Germany, between Krefeld and Mönchengladbach, and I would say that short stature and dark colouring were the norm there. But people have a mental picture of Germans as all being tall, blonde Prussians.

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Re: Scottish/Spanish ties
« Reply #41 on: Thursday 30 August 12 19:55 BST (UK) »
As the daughter of a Scottish dad and a Spanish mama...

My father was dark haired, brown eyed and very fair skin.... (origin very much Ireland and the Highlands).

My mother is blond and green eyes with honey skin (beautiful and elegant  ;)) and does NOT look Spanish even though with her genealogy I have not found any other European blood for a few centuries (after which I gave up due to lack of info!)....

Monica  :)
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Re: Scottish/Spanish ties
« Reply #42 on: Thursday 30 August 12 21:27 BST (UK) »
North Italians are also often fair and blue-eyed. That part of the country used to have a Celtic population. We tend to lump nationalities together as being English, Scottish, French, Italian, German etc., but these are fairly modern designations, and in the past people lived in tribal confederations, with natural barriers like mountains and rivers preventing mixing of populations, so there must have been a lot of inbreeding, tending to emphasise and promote the prevailing physical characteristics of the tribe.

I said that where I lived in Germany, to the west of the Rhine, people were often short and dark. One day I took the train east across the Rhine to Siegen in Westphalia, for a job interview at the university, and I was struck by how different the people in Siegen looked - lots more blondes than I was used to seeing, and a different dialect too. But these were Saxons, unlike the Franks on the other side of the Rhine, and the river would have been a formidable barrier to tribal intermixing in the past.

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Re: Scottish/Spanish ties
« Reply #43 on: Thursday 30 August 12 21:59 BST (UK) »
There are Spanish names in Oban, Argyll and stories of the survivors of armada wrecks at places including Greenpoint near Poolewe in Wester Ross.

There are more definite historical accounts of armada survivors journeying across ireland, pursued by British noblemen, and making their way back to scotland at Kintyre, Argyll.

Spain and Portugal were allies of the Jacobites; Spain's wealth in particular, was a target of British (i.e. English-sponsored) Privateers in the caribbean and Americas.

Portugal is one of Britain's oldest allies, and there are still old British families in privileged positions in mainland Portugal and Madeira. 

Then there's the trade links - Any of Scotland's ports would have had links with Spain and Portugal especially during the 19th and 20th Centuries.

There are some very interesting cases of Maternal DNA from exotic sources amongst people who thought themselves "pure" Scots - One in particular caught my imagination - A woman from the Lothians who has a maternal line going back to the South Pacific islands!

I'm rambling, as usual, but although I agree that, in the absence of extraordinary evidence of a specific connection, it is far more likely that swarthy looks are just part of the inheritance of some very British families, the converse may also be true - From the Peninsula Wars, via Captain Kidd, (from Greenock?), and merchant seamen of 19th & 20th Cs., there have been increasing opportunities for peely wally British men to acquire exotic brides and bring them home to Blighty, following the macho, patrilocal custom of the species.


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Re: Scottish/Spanish ties
« Reply #44 on: Sunday 03 May 20 15:04 BST (UK) »
It is definitely possible that the lady had spanish blood. My ancestors from the

Avoch in the Black Isle were very dark and olive skinned. My GG/Grandmother was born

in 1856 and she had olive skin and black hair. Family lore always had it that there was

spanish blood on that side of the family.

Joy

I believe that my direct male line ancestors by the surname of Munro came from the parish of Avoch in the early 18th century, and I have taken part in Y-chromosome DNA testing and of my 7 closest DNA matches two have my surname of Munro, three have the French surname of Runyon (or variations) and one has the surname Bustamante which is totally Spanish. So the story about the  Spanish Armada having a ship wrecked at Avoch could be true!