1891 lookup request - Gurman

[groom]

There is this birth

Births Jun 1846 
Gurman    Harry        S. Stoneham    7   231

I wonder if he was registered in one name but baptised in another?

Added: Perhaps not as Harry appears in later censuses.

[pompeyboy]

He is also in the 1861 census

Robert Gurman head marr 49 ag lab b Botley
Sarah Gurman wife 48? b Botley
Noah Gurman son 14 ag lab b Botley
Robert Gurman son 12 ag lab b Botley
Esther Gurman son? 10 scholar b Botley
Mary A Gurman daur 6 scholar b Botley

All at 49 Southampton Road

[pompeyboy]

And next door at No 50

Mary a Gurman head widow 49 charwoman b Southampton
Thomas? Gurman son unm 24 ag lab b South Stoneham
Henry Gurman brother in law unm 38 formerly ag lab b Botley

Steve

[groom]

A tree on Ancestry has Noah's death as 1888. They give his  mother as Sarah Sheppard. No sources given.

[lilirose03]

gosh, thank you both so much for your help, it would've taken me forever to track all that info down! If Noah did die in 1888 then he (hopefully) is the father of all the children, but why is she saying she's a widow in 1881?

[lilirose03]

could this be them in 1851? wrongly under German. No Noah but Nathaneal?

HO107; 1670; 282; P14
South Stoneham Hampshire

Robert German 38 head mar Ag Lab
Sarah German 39 wife mar
Charles German 11 son scholar
Elisha German 9 dau do
Miraham German 7 dau do
Nathaneal German 4 son do
Robert German 2 son
Henry German 28 lodger

all born Botley

[bearkat]

Botley parish records (pre 1837) are online

http://michaelcooper.org.uk/BOT/bot.htm

There are a few GURMANS 

[groom]

Family Search has the baptisms of all Robert and Sarah's children.   https://familysearch.org/

There were a lot of Gurman families in South Stoneham and Botley - probably all related.

[lilirose03]

I found Selina Gurman's death on freebmd, she died age 46 in Dec qtr 1892.

Having thought about this overnight I'm wondering if this could be a possible scenario:

she and Noah marry young, they have a couple of children and he goes off to sea leaving her with her family. For whatever reason Noah doesn't come back. She sets up home with George French the younger children being his and perhaps lists him as George Gurman, father, labourer, on the birth certificates?

I've ordered George's birth certificate and will let you know when it arrives what it says!

It's the only reason I can think that would explain why she was listed as a widow in 1881 and 1891, had George French boarding with her all those years and why George jnr has listed George Gurman, labourer as his father on his marriage cert.

Do you think this is a reasonable scenario or have I let my imagination run riot?

I would like to find out what did happen to Noah to see if that sheds any light on things, but haven't a clue where to start with that if he died at sea?

Also, I wonder what happened to the younger children after Selina died? Maybe George French looked after them or they went to the King family?