19th Century German gypsy!

[Romany Knaves]

Though I like to research before 1900 in Germany in the early 1930's was a Gypsy Boxer named Johann Trollmann he was also known as the Boxer Dancer and also as Rukli this name referred to his Sinti roots, he was killed or perhaps I should say murdered by Hitler's Mob who did not like the idea of a Gypsy winning fights against an Aryan race.

[Regorian]

Romanys/Gypsies titles are misnomers. They were originally highly talented singers/dancers from northern India. This was a thousand years ago or more. They were invited to live in Persia by the Shah? Eventually, they lost their attraction and were told to leave the country. They wandered into Europe and Romania was one route in and many settled. Hence the name Romany's. They first appeared in England in 14something. We called them Gypsies, a corruption of Egyptians because that's the best we could do at the time.

They were banished from England at some date like the Jews before them, but it might not have happened. I remember it recorded that 'bloody' Queen Mary stated that they could stay if they weren't 'naughty'.

Relatively recently, a professor of linguistics from Oxford University sought out dark skinned 'Romany's' and enquired about their vocabulary. From that, he realised their Indian ancestry. However, I have read elsewhere that this was realised a lot earlier than 20 - 30 years ago. 



     

[shelbymaria]

Though I like to research before 1900 in Germany in the early 1930's was a Gypsy Boxer named Johann Trollmann he was also known as the Boxer Dancer and also as Rukli this name referred to his Sinti roots, he was killed or perhaps I should say murdered by Hitler's Mob who did not like the idea of a Gypsy winning fights against an Aryan race.

Hi Romany Knaves. I would message you via the chat but there seems to be an error on the website. I was wondering if you could help. I am writing my dissertation on the dying age of Nomads and tying it in with todays social culture. My Grandfather passed before I had the honour of meeting him but he himself was a traditional romany traveller. I have grown hearing wonderful story's of our family's endless pilgrimage but sadly have no photographs. I am interested in all of my heritage and was wondering if you have any imagery I could look at? it would be great talking to you!

Shelby
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[Nesswood]

Thanks guys for inviting me on here.
As to a little help for buttonphobic, and Tricia lemmer, on their posts.
My grandad was in fact Carl printz lemmer, my great grandfather was casper printz lemmer, the musician along with his brother Heinrich.
After many years of searching and enlisting my cousin and good friend we finally found out who my father was, this was an horrendous task as I found out later that his identity changed a few times , and the names he went under were just alliases due to being a navy and army intelligence officer for the M.O.D.
His real identity was Carl Burt lemmer born 1932 son of Carl printz lemmer, my grandad married a lady called Mabel Elizabeth hermann , in turn they had a son called (this is another section of the family that often gets messy or confusing) Printz Carl Albert lemmer, my dad's half brother.
Mabel either died or they were divorced but I came across someone else on another site who was related to grandad and Mabel's son.
My grandad was actually marching on in years 64 I believe,we have all come to the conclusion that the lady in question,Evelyn Alma blanch stewardson may possibly have been a maid come lover as she was only 24 years old in 1932 and although I now possess all the relevant documents there is no marriage certificate available.
We have most of my father's past now as well and he has turned out to be a serial marriage monster and heartbreaker.
Alma goes on to marry a gentleman officer Riley George Huxley when grandad dies, and changes his name to Huxley at the age of 11 yes old.
Through my father's last wife ,we have met and I now have photos and more documentation.
Through DNA I have found a sister Stella to my dad, and in turn she has a document that tells of another sister which we have not found yet Jane Huxley , Chippenham, Wiltshire mother's name Margaret goth and Jane was born 1957,
Heinrich Henry lemmer I'm still working on even though I have quite a bit on him as he had nine children I believe.
Casper printz lemmer although records show he was married to Charlotte butt, she passed at the age of 40 and he re married a Alice Woolly in 1900, she has articles in her own right as she is mentioned in a couple off good write ups to do with the suffragette movement guys.