Manners family Greenock

[ShirleyX]

If anyone is looking through the 1841/51/61 census for Greenock Could you look up these people for me.

John Manners, his wife Margaret or Catherine (almost sure its Margaret) and any listed children.

I know their son John born c 1842 married in 1866 in Australia so I'm trying to trace back to when he came to Australia. (That's a lot of ships to search in twenty years)

Greatly appreciated

Shirley

[broom]

I just looked at the Renfrewshire  Greenock Parish 1841 Census.
There are no Manners...but I think maybe this could be them.
As this JOhn is born in Ireland, could be the name changed.
And he is the only one of the page with JOhn - Catherine combination.

Volume 23. Page 3.
Address:  Harvey Lane, ST.Thomas, Greenock.
Name:  MANALUS.
John.     HD.         age 30.  Labourer.  Born Ireland.
Catherine. HM           Age 25.                   Born Ireland.
Samuel.    HD.       Age 25.  Labourer.  Born Ireland.
Catherine. HM       Age 20.                    Born Ireland.
JOhn.        HM.       Age 6.                     Born RFW
Henry        HM        AGe 3.                     Born RFW
John          HM        AGe 2.                     Born RFW
Nancy        HM        Age 1.                     Born RFW.
Susanna    HM        Age 1.                     Born RFW
Agnes        HM        Age 20.  IND.          Born IReland.

 Don't know what the Ind. stands for in occupation.
I also know that when the Irish came to Greenock their names were Anglicized.

Maybe it would be worth your while emailing Watt Library ..Greenock for the rest of the census.  They are very
helpful...just state you are from abroad...gets done quicker.

http://www.scottishrecordsassociation.org/summaries_003.htm

[ShirleyX]

Thank you.

I never thought of looking at the name Manalus. My mother seemed to think the name change could have been from DeManier, or something like that. Unfortunately she is no longer alive, so I cannot ask where she got it from. I'll look into your suggestion.

Do you know what the HM stands for?

Shirley

[broom]

Sorry but I have no idea what the HD stands for.I think the HM stood for Head,Married.
My own gggrandparent came from Ireland to Greenock, they were protestant with the name McQuillan but some married in Greenock in the Roman Catholic Church which gave their recorded names as Williamson.
Everyone said..was'nt the same people..but I paid a professional genealogist from the Edin. to look into it.
It turned out it was indeed my family.
It seems in Greenock at the time if the priest was Irish he would revert the name back to its Irish origin.
Just looked in the Oxford Names Companion:
Manners:  English (Norman) habitation from Mesnieres in Seine-Maritime, recorded in the 13th century. as Maneria, a deriv. of L manere, to remain, abide, reside. See also Menzies.

Manulus is not recorded in this companion.

try also a posting on

http://genforum.genealogy.com/manners/

just click that link..will take you right there.

[ShirleyX]

Thanks for the info. Seems my mother was almost right. Possibly she was referring to L manere name. I did know of the Menzies name. Seems I have a lot of research to do during my January school break.