Giving the Green's another go.

[Annette7]

What a tangled web!    However, I agree that that Jane is a second wife and have found the following:

William Green, widower, Hawker, son of George Green, Hairdresser married Jane Griffiths, widow, dau. of Joseph Law, Fishmonger on 25/1/1863 St. Lukes, Middlesex - the address for both is given as 'White Cross' which ties in with the address on 1871 Census.

Therefore, I would say the 1871 Census details you have for Sarah with William and Jane is spot on.

The Sarah with Thomas and Susan Turpin is in 1861, not 1871, and she is shown as aged 8.   Thomas and Susan - per 1851 Census, ref.HO107 - 1542 (or 1842, can't read my own writing) - 398 - 32, had a dau. Sarah bc.1834 - she may be the Sarah Turpin married to William Green and thus Sarah Green was actually their grand-daughter.

Have found a record of the marriage of William Green and Sarah Turpin in familysearch but only the bare details given: married 18/7/1852 St. Thomas, Stepney.

Although I can't find them on 1861 Census, an Oscar Griffiths birth is recorded in the Dec.qtr.1857 Shoreditch which fits with him being Jane's son.

So, sometime between Sarah's birth in 1852 and 1863,  Sarah Green, nee Turpin, died and young Sarah lived with Thomas and Susan Turpin, who were either her grandparents or some other relative.

As the meerkats would say 'Simples'!

Annette

[katherinem]

Lovely detangling Annette!

With regard to the marriage in 1852, both are of full age,  profession of William is Hearth Rug Weaver and both resided in Stepney.  Father of William is listed as George Green, Hair Dresser and Father of Sarah is Thomas Turpin, Painter & Glazier.  Both bride and groom signed with a cross.  Struggling to read the witness names, but could be John Powell Hughlings and Eleanor Hooper!

Kath

[Annette7]

I've just found the full details of that marriage too and I agree completely with the names of the witnesses.

Annette

[MargP]

Hi MargP

Sorry, forgot to mention that there was some confusion about Jane's age, I have seen the original transcript and would say its difficult to see if Jane is 30 or 38 during the 1871 census. So you may be correct that she is the second wife if she is only 30.

I love researching my family tree but sometimes it is infuriating!!

Andy

Hi Andy I have looked at the original 1871 census I think that she is 30 if you look at the previous page there is very definite 8

[MargP]

Well done Annette and Kath

[andy_smed]

Hi All

Can I just thank everyone that has contributed to this thread as this has been one of those searches that has really been frustrating. Special thanks to Annette and Kath for all of that brilliant information today.

Dont know what we would do without you.

Thanks
Andy

[Annette7]

Just for completeness, as it were:

William Green bp.17/10/1825 St. Leonards Shoreditch, son of George and Ann of New Inn Yards, Hairdresser
Harriet Green bp. same day          ditto

Sarah Turpin, b.5/12/1833, bp.27/12/1833 St. Leonards, Shoreditch, dau. of Thomas and Susan of Holywell Lane, Painter.

Annette

[andy_smed]

Thanks again Annette very grateful

Andy

[andy_smed]

One last request for this one, just trying to make the most of such a brilliant day yesterday,

Would it be possible for someone to do an 1851 lookup for Thomas Turpin and his wife Susan to see if I can catch any other family members?

And also a 1841 lookup for George Green and Wife Ann, children William and Harriet,  was it unusual for George to have been a Hairdresser at that time?

Thanks

Andy