Stoke Damerel HARRIS

[suejim]

Sadly you could well be right, any tips on finding Irish records?

[JaneyCanuck]

In case it's of interest, this could be your Sampson's baptism -- the 1841 census does indicate that he was born in Cornwall c1790:

http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=2099195

Son of Peter Bown Harris and Ann, baptised 31 Dec 1790 at Budock. Peter Bown Harris was baptised 1766 in Mawnan, father Sampson, mother Mary Bown, is how it looks -- you can search the databases there and see the various records.


But your question was about 1851.

Here is Sarah Hannah Harris, I think:

Sarah H Harris, 14 (c1836-37), born Devonport, scholar at boarding school, Woolwich, Woolwich Arsenal.

The head of household is a widow and her daughter is the schoolmistress. It's quite a nice neighbourhood; the previous household has servants who include a governess and a lady's maid. The next household is headed by a private tutor and inhabited by gentlemen preparing for the army.

This doesn't help find the rest of the family, unfortunately. But I'm thinking ... it's kind of looking like it may have broken up.

There is a Sampson Harris, 60, mariner, born Creed, Cornwall, in Megavissey, Cornwall, who bears a strong resemblance to the Sampson noted in the 1841 census.  With wife Mary.

There aren't a lot of Sampson Harris-s in the BMD records. Megavissey is in St Austell reg dist. A Sampson Harris died there in 1858, before ages were recorded. After ages were recorded, there is no death of an SH of the right age. Mind, a Sampson Harris did die in Bermondsey in 1853, and I don't see that person in 1851.

Do you know any more about the family? Births/baptisms of children, death dates ... ?

[JaneyCanuck]

Charlotte Augusta Harris burial, 1854 Sheerness:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J8S3-F6B

Baptism of son Frederic Horatio Harris, 25 Feb 1852, Sheerness
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NJQK-82D

Baptism of son James Richard Harris, 10 Nov 1852, Sheerness:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N1D1-HL3

for info.

[JaneyCanuck]

Sampson is in multiple trees at Ancestry/Mundia with some bizarre info ... born in Creed 1790, lived in Megavissey -- that makes him the one I identified in 1851 -- died in 1832. Hm.

Father Peter Bown Harris, mother Anne Nicholls, wife Mary Anna (Marianna) Kempthorne 1793 Megavissey. Which, again, makes him the one I identified in 1851.

So the tree I'm looking at has him dying in 1832, and residing in Megavissey in 1851.

Oh good. The next one has him born Budock 1790, marrying the same woman, and being a clergyman.
Just a lot of bizarre mutually contradictory info.

http://www.mundia.com -- sign up, search and send messages for free (the trees are mirrors of trees at ancestry.com).

So either we've been looking at the wrong Sampson Harris starting with that 1841 census, or something is wondrously screwy somewhere. Or, possibly, Sampson had a "wife" in every port ........

[suejim]

Sampson Harris was born in 1812 in Plymouth, son of John and Elizabeth Harris.  He was a chief engineer in the navy and the only census I have him in is 1861 when he has remarried and had more children with Mary Maunder.  He died in 1866.  I have his naval record but it shows no marriage, in fact it starts when he is quite old so I think there may be one earlier, can't find that!
Thankyou to everyone prepared to look!

[suejim]

I am quite sure the census for 1851 showing Sarah H Harris at school is the correct one, many thanks for that.  It confirms they were still in that area in 1851, but where is Sampson born 1849!!!!!!! AAAAH!  I had a look around the area, very interesting, lots of children at boarding school with some wonderful names.  Perhaps my lot were in the six or seven homes uninhabited and away on the night concerned.  Amazingly I have only just found James Richard and Sarah Hannah it shows how many more records are coming on line.

[horse000]

Hi Sue

I'll ask before writing more 

Do you have his details in 1861 and marriage to Mary 1858?

Geoff

[suejim]

Yes, I have marriage to Mary and 1861 census, baptism etc all I really need is marriage to Charlotte Augusta and the whereabouts of them in 1851.  I am grateful for any help!

[horse000]

Ok, thanks.

Geoff