Hartley Widow

[Trini]

Winship anad Elizabeth Jacques were living in Holywell on the 1851 census.

Trini.

[Trini]

Sorry!  1861 census!

Trini.

[Radcliff]

That's okay Trini
I have quite a few notes on the residents of Hastings Row and neither Legg or Jaques are there,if you have lots of time,sorry not you personally ,you can sit and read all the original note books,stating who lived where ,how much money they were allotted,how many dependents, and when they moved the forwarding addresses,
They are at Woodhorn,I suppose if you married you wouldn't receive any more pension,

[Trini]

Yes, and obviously Elizabeth was young enough to want to remarry.

It is said that Thomas LEGG was one of the helpers at the disaster (on his obituary) so perhaps he started helping Elizabeth out, and romance began

I'm as curious as everyone else as to what happened to the Jacques children, though.....perhaps they stayed with the Jacques relatives....who knows?  More research is needed...... (as always!).

I will see if I can look up a copy of a photo I was given of Elizabeth and Thomas LEGG (probably 10 or more years ago) and will post if I find it.

Trini.

[Radcliff]

That would be great if you can find it,
any way if any one has seen a missing wheelbarrow taken by mistake from St Albans during July could they please return it,

[Trini]

Thomas LEGG's obituary, stating that he helped out with the Hartley disaster.

Trini.

[fred111]

I had visitors, so have only just got back on the site and picked up the replies.
Thank you all for your interest and being so generous with your time.

Elizabeth & Winship lived in North West Row, Holywell, near Elizabeth's family, at the time of the disasters.
I said in my original message that Elizabeth lost her 3 brothers as well as her husband.
Her girls were Isabella 3.(named after both their mothers) Ann 1 & Elizabeth 6 mths on the 1861 Census. So they were still very small when their Dad died.
I'd love to see a photo of Elizabeth - thanks for the tip.

Thomas Legg sounds a lovely brave man. Quite a character! lets hope Elizabeth had a good life with him. 

Liz

[fred111]

I have gone on to trace Thomas & Elizabeth Legg. They had 4 children, 3 boys, Christopher, John & Thomas - named after Elizabeth's 3 brothers lost at Hartley, and Isabella.

After Elizabeth died in 1893, Thomas went on to marry an Eliza and start a new family.

When I looked at the 1891 C, and her husband and 3 sons are down the pit, I couldn't help wondering how Elizabeth coped. If there had been other employment available, I bet they would have taken it.

Elizabeth lived just long enough to see her first Grandchildren (that I know of). Isabella married in 1891 and produced Thomas in 1891 and Andrew in 1982. The next baby was Elizabeth in 1895.

Liz

[2zpool]

I believe there was quite a bit on money gathered.  I have an article somewhere and it is at NDFHS where the women and children were kept track of, the women were given a stipend of a sort until they died or remarried.  Surviving children until they reasched a certain age--like 13 or 14.  This was the start of the miner's fund--insurance?--that paid widows and children to a certain age.  The women until the remarried or died.