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Length of time between birth and baptism, and finding Margaret WYNNE
« on: Tuesday 31 July 12 09:41 BST (UK) »
Hi :)

I'm researching my great-grandmother's adoption. Thanks to some wonderful help I've found her birth, and her baptism (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,607992.0.html)

So, she was born in May 1904, but was baptised in April 1905, mother named but no father listed.

My questions are, was it usual to wait so long before baptising a baby, or if not, what could the reasons be for the wait? And would this suggest that she was still in the care of her biological mother at the time of baptism, as she is named on the records?

I don't know for sure when she was adopted, only that by the 1911 census she is living with her adoptive parents.

Thanks,

Emma :)
WYNNE and HUMPHREYS - Soughton, Flintshire
LLOYD and JONES - Gwernaffield/Northop/Rhydymwyn, Flintshire
ROWLAND/S - Dinas Mawddwy/Merionethshire and Caernarfon

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Re: Length of time between birth and baptism.
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 31 July 12 11:34 BST (UK) »
Baptism within 1 year is quite standard - but you will often find many families do not baptise their children when very young and will get several done at the same time.

My g/grandfather was never baptised (like his older brother) but when he was 14 all his younger siblings were done in bulk, 6 of them and also about 5 of their cousins.

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Re: Length of time between birth and baptism.
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 31 July 12 11:51 BST (UK) »
Thanks Plummiegirl :)

Do you happen to know if it would likely be her biological mother having her baptised, as her name is listed on the baptism record, or could her adopted parents have had her baptised but her biological mothers name would still have to be recorded?

I'm trying to work out if her biological mother kept her for some time after she was born.
WYNNE and HUMPHREYS - Soughton, Flintshire
LLOYD and JONES - Gwernaffield/Northop/Rhydymwyn, Flintshire
ROWLAND/S - Dinas Mawddwy/Merionethshire and Caernarfon

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Re: Length of time between birth and baptism.
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 31 July 12 16:23 BST (UK) »
It sounds to me as if she was still with her biological mother, especially if she is listed with no father. Formal adoption did not start in the UK until about 1927, so any arrangement would have been made by the family.
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Re: Length of time between birth and baptism.
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 31 July 12 16:36 BST (UK) »
Thanks Groom :)

I'm trying to find ways of finding out more about it as it falls between censuses, but I'm very new to searching so I don't know if it's possible.

I've had her birth cert this morning and have a 'bonus' person listed, as the informant - a Jane Wynne, grandmother, present at the birth. I'm not sure whether 'grandmother' will be the baby's grandmother, or the mother's grandmother though. I'll have to try and match them up somewhere, hopefully..!
WYNNE and HUMPHREYS - Soughton, Flintshire
LLOYD and JONES - Gwernaffield/Northop/Rhydymwyn, Flintshire
ROWLAND/S - Dinas Mawddwy/Merionethshire and Caernarfon

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Re: Length of time between birth and baptism.
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 31 July 12 16:41 BST (UK) »
Hi,

I think that Jane Wynne is the baby's grandmother.

I have a death cert for an infant and the informant on that is her grandmother.


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Re: Length of time between birth and baptism.
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 31 July 12 16:43 BST (UK) »
If you need any help, put the names on here and I'm sure that someone will be able to find them and the connection. As it is the baby's birth registration, I would assume that Jane is the baby's grandmother.

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Re: Length of time between birth and baptism.
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 31 July 12 16:50 BST (UK) »
Brilliant, thank you both  ;D

I hadn't expected to see another person on there, so was a nice surprise to find another connection.

I don't know whether to start a new thread, I've been adding information onto my old one (new here too, not sure what to do for the best!)

I've linked to my other thread in my first post in this topic, details on birth cert are:

Margaret Wynne (my ggrandmother) born May 1904 at Willow Cottage, Soughton, Northop.

Mother: Margaret Wynne, domestic servant.

Informant: Grandmother, Jane Wynne, present at birth, of same address.

No father listed.

Thank you :)
WYNNE and HUMPHREYS - Soughton, Flintshire
LLOYD and JONES - Gwernaffield/Northop/Rhydymwyn, Flintshire
ROWLAND/S - Dinas Mawddwy/Merionethshire and Caernarfon

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Re: Length of time between birth and baptism.
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 31 July 12 17:03 BST (UK) »
I wouldn't start another thread or you could end up with everyone looking for the same thing. If you do decide to start one, mark these two as complete - just go back to the first post on each and add the word COMPLETED. It would be a good idea to link a new one back to these as well.
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