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Flatbrick Cemetery CRAW
« on: Thursday 26 July 12 01:10 BST (UK) »
I have only become aware of this cemetery. The death would have had to have been between the opening and 1870. James Crawford was late of Claughton Park.He was father of James Francis Crawford.born in Liverpool 1833 married in Christchurch New Zealand 1870. I have been searching for 5 years for my great grandfathers English homebase Many thanks Vicki

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Re: Flatbrick Cemetery CRAW
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 26 July 12 01:40 BST (UK) »
Hi

The cemetery is Flaybrick Hill cemetery, Birkenhead. It opened in 1864 but there are no adult deaths for James Crawford registered in the area until 1911. The 1850 and 1852 deaths are infants. It is possible that he died elsewhere and was buried in Birkenhead, have you found any further information since your original post a couple of years ago?

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Re: Flatbrick Cemetery CRAW
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 26 July 12 02:13 BST (UK) »
No Andy all I had to go on was a wedding announcement in a Christchurch paper naming the grooms father as late of Claughton Park. I have been round and around. The Museum in Sumner Christchurch where I was hoping there could be more family stuff had to be demolished because of the earthquake. I have been going solo on this, 2 steps forward 3 back  Appreciated your reply

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Re: Flatbrick Cemetery CRAW
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 26 July 12 04:32 BST (UK) »
Hi

i may have found something of interest. Go to the Cheshire Tithe Maps on the link below

http://maps.cheshire.gov.uk/tithemaps/

Enter James Crawford in the Search field.

You should get 3 pages of results (50 to a page) Scroll down until you see the Township of Oxton in the first column (halfway down Page 2)

This shows that a James Crawford was the occupier of a house and land owned by the Earl of Shrewsbury. On the right hand side of the row there is a link to a map of the location.

On the left side of the page is the Tithe map 1836 to 1851 (I don't think it means that James was the occupier between 1836 and 1851 but that the map is dated in that period.)

On both the left and right hand side of the page there are tabs (just above the Tithe map) that shows the location in different periods and in the centre of the page you can zoom in or out.

I don't know if this is your James Crawford but the location and time frame is good. There isn't a likely death in the area but it is possible he died elsewhere such as Liverpool.

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Re: Flatbrick Cemetery CRAW
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 26 July 12 05:30 BST (UK) »
Andy  I also found a James Crawford occupying a Cottage and garden in the Township of Barrow parish Barrow. Now this is such a coincidence as the word Barrow( I realise there are many Barrow's in UK) has come up in other aspects of the search for James Crawford I have also seen that Oxton is close to Claughton. There does seem to be quite a few Crawfords in the area. I have seen Tarvin mentioned too in relation to the death of a James Crawford. Thanks so much for the direction you have sent me in. Vicki

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Re: Flatbrick Cemetery CRAW
« Reply #5 on: Friday 27 July 12 11:47 BST (UK) »
Hello

The James Crawford from Burton, Tarvin died in 1869. Looking at his will he had no children. His occupation was a gardener. He left money to his siblings and their children. One lived in Liverpool.There is no James Crawford in St Mary's Church yard, but about another 6 Crawfords. No addresses though.

Have you looked at the old newspapers online to see if there is an obituary for him?

Mel

main family lines at
Wirral -( Davies, Wilson, Price, Redhead, Dawson)
Liverpool - ( Evans, Lowey, Pettigrew),
North Wales (Davies, Roberts, Owens, Gage),
Exeter (Martin, Hall, Davey, Sweetland, Follett),
Sprowston ( Stone, Germany),
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Re: Flatbrick Cemetery CRAW
« Reply #6 on: Friday 27 July 12 20:53 BST (UK) »
Thank you   because I am from NZ I have no knowledge of the newspapers of the time. We have a site here called Papers Past so you can checkout the regions and the time lines    thanks again for the info Vicki

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Re: Flatbrick Cemetery CRAW
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 28 July 12 11:47 BST (UK) »
Hi Vicki

I have found a Crawford family with a Claughton connection but I can't connect your James Francis Crawford to the family. Both the 1851 & 1861 census have an Amy Theresa Crawford born in Claughton, Cheshire

1851 Census West Kirby, Cheshire
HO107; Piece: 2174; Folio: 131; Page: 13

Eliza Crawford wife married 43 Born Dublin Ireland
Fanny Crawford daugh 19 born Liverpool, Lancashire
Eliza Margret daugh 4 born Liverpool, Lancashire
Amy Theresa Crawford daugh 1 born Claughton, Cheshire

1861 Census  West Kirby, Cheshire
RG 9; Piece: 2638; Folio: 57; Page: 15

Eliza Crawford  head  married 52  born Ireland
Lilley Crawford  daugh  14  born Liverpool, Lancashire
Amy Theresa Crawford daugh 11 born Claughton, Cheshire

Both censuses have Eliza as married but no husband at home.
Eliza Margret & Lilley could be the same person with Lilley a pet name?

This looks like the family in 1841 census

1841 Census Chester St, Toxteth Park (Liverpool)
HO107; Piece: 567; Book: 7 Folio: 6; Page: 5

James Crawford 35 Broker
Eliza Crawford 30
Frances Crawford 6
George Crawford 4

Frances Eliza Crawford of West Kirby married George Russell Alexander 9th June 1857 St Brides Church, Liverpool, the father of the bride was James Crawford, merchant.

The 1871 Scottish census has Eliza and Amy Crawford with the Alexander family in Partick, Scotland

1871 Scottish Census 11 Gardener Ter Cecil St, Partick, Lanarkshire

Goerge R Alexander head 50 born Edinburgh, Midlothian
Frances C Alexander wife 39 born Liverpool, Lancashire
6 Alexander children
Elizabeth Crawford mother-in-law 63 born Dublin, Ireland
Amy Crawford sister-in-law 21 born Birkenhead, Cheshire

James Crawford being a broker/merchant could explain why he wasn't at home for the 1851 and 1861 census.

Andy





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Re: Flatbrick Cemetery CRAW
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 29 July 12 00:17 BST (UK) »
Andy you have certainly gone beyond the call thanks. My great grandfather James Francis was alleged to have been born 7th August 1833  Liverpool unable to be authenticated.  I've tried...the eldest sons for the next 3 generations have that name. I know the ship he came to NZ on in 1857. Going backwards has been difficult because I only started searching after most family left are not interested. I have a family crest and motto and know they are definitely Church of England. All the history in NZ I have.I believe the family moved to Wexford temporarily so your assumption of him being a merchant possible two generations in Christchurch were connected to the trade of harbourmaster and harbour pilot. I really appreciate your time Vicki