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COMPLETED: Photograph for dating only please
« on: Tuesday 24 July 12 12:09 BST (UK) »
Dear all,
I'd be very grateful for your thoughts on the age of this photograph.
It is studio posed (I've also attached a scan of the reverse), card mounted, sepia, with square corners. It measures approx 6.5cm x 10cm (2.5" x 4").
I think it may have been taken in the 1820s or 1830s.

The people in the photo could be:
The adult on the right - Ann Holford, previously Philpott, nee Fryer 1794-1871 and three of her daughters, either:  Ann born 1817, Caroline b 1821, Elizabeth b 1822, Hannah b 1824, Eliza 1830, Amelia 1834, or Mary b 1836.

Any thoughts would be very welcome.
Nika

Hampshire: Holford, Philpott, Millard, Wilson
Cambridgeshire: Nation
Wales:Tedbury, Ayres
Devon:Tedbury, Copplestone, Tolman, Hill, Lugg, Hellings, Pomeroy, Carter
London/Middlesex: Abrahams, Aldridge, Squire, Plummer
Kent: Kenny, Hood, Farmer, Flood, McDowell, Lambeth, Ledger, Ladd, Lockwood, Veal, Bagg
Ireland: Kenny, Corbett, Clarke
Derbyshire: Hood, Clark, Stacey, Cawthorne, Watmough,

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Re: Photograph for dating only please
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 24 July 12 17:01 BST (UK) »
Late 1860s and very inventive for the time...a posed family group rather than an individual or a couple, with a backdrop!

There's usually a floor blooper somewhere in 1860s photography, and in this one it's a bit of the rug kicked up :D

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Re: Photograph for dating only please
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 24 July 12 18:09 BST (UK) »
Thanks Chinakay, how interesting! I hadn't even noticed the kicked up rug before. ;D
If its 1860s its not the people I thought it could be  :'(
Nika
Hampshire: Holford, Philpott, Millard, Wilson
Cambridgeshire: Nation
Wales:Tedbury, Ayres
Devon:Tedbury, Copplestone, Tolman, Hill, Lugg, Hellings, Pomeroy, Carter
London/Middlesex: Abrahams, Aldridge, Squire, Plummer
Kent: Kenny, Hood, Farmer, Flood, McDowell, Lambeth, Ledger, Ladd, Lockwood, Veal, Bagg
Ireland: Kenny, Corbett, Clarke
Derbyshire: Hood, Clark, Stacey, Cawthorne, Watmough,

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« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 24 July 12 22:45 BST (UK) »
Have to disagree.1870's.The back is a mid- decade design.
The Polonaise style overskirt is also 1870's.
At least one of the little ones is a boy.
jim
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
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Re: Photograph for dating only please
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 25 July 12 06:59 BST (UK) »
Thank you Jim1.
Could you tell me how you can you tell that one of the little ones is a boy? I know little boys were dressed much the same as girls but it would be interesting to know for this particular photo what leads you to say that.
Nika
Hampshire: Holford, Philpott, Millard, Wilson
Cambridgeshire: Nation
Wales:Tedbury, Ayres
Devon:Tedbury, Copplestone, Tolman, Hill, Lugg, Hellings, Pomeroy, Carter
London/Middlesex: Abrahams, Aldridge, Squire, Plummer
Kent: Kenny, Hood, Farmer, Flood, McDowell, Lambeth, Ledger, Ladd, Lockwood, Veal, Bagg
Ireland: Kenny, Corbett, Clarke
Derbyshire: Hood, Clark, Stacey, Cawthorne, Watmough,

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« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 25 July 12 11:06 BST (UK) »
The one on the right.
His hairstyle is a bit of a givaway.It was common with boys to curl the hair on top of the head only giving this look.

jim
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
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Re: Photograph for dating only please
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 25 July 12 11:37 BST (UK) »

I think it may have been taken in the 1820s or 1830s.


Not possible I'm afraid - photography (of this sort anyway) hadn't been invented yet  ;) ;D

I agree with the dating estimates heretofore given by the experts  :P

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« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 25 July 12 13:06 BST (UK) »
Thank you Jim and Prue - I've learned two new things!  ;D
Nika
Hampshire: Holford, Philpott, Millard, Wilson
Cambridgeshire: Nation
Wales:Tedbury, Ayres
Devon:Tedbury, Copplestone, Tolman, Hill, Lugg, Hellings, Pomeroy, Carter
London/Middlesex: Abrahams, Aldridge, Squire, Plummer
Kent: Kenny, Hood, Farmer, Flood, McDowell, Lambeth, Ledger, Ladd, Lockwood, Veal, Bagg
Ireland: Kenny, Corbett, Clarke
Derbyshire: Hood, Clark, Stacey, Cawthorne, Watmough,

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« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 25 July 12 16:16 BST (UK) »
3 things actually...you are now aware there's such a word as heretofore..sounds like a Bushism to me.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/