Jones at Kew, Vic.

[cando]

Me too   I went searching for his Will

Cando

[cando]

My Jones family of Thomas and Phoebe Jones owned a Tailor/Mercers/Drapers shop at 4 Cotham Rd Kew, Vic. from (I think) 1897 to around 1910. This info via Sands and McDougall.

An entry in the S & M directory does not mean the person at a particular address owned the property.  You would have to do a title search.

A final dividend for an insolvent Frederick Thomas JONES of 4 Cotham Road, Kew in 1909

[DavidJ1952]

Thank you all so much, ...fascinating.

Yes Sue, ...any information relevant, whether about the shop or family.
Ros, ..thank you. I always end up with a giant headache after searching Trove !!
I don't know why they would have advertised in the Box Hill Reporter, being so far from Kew Junction., ..but this is my family at 4 Cotham Rd, I can't wait to see those adverts !!

I would be inclined to think this is the same Thomas Jones, maybe selling up to finance the family's trip to NZ in 1891-2??
According to S&M, the family lived at 152 Bulleen Road Kew, (renamed in 1890 to High St) prior to their trip to NZ, so I would think that it would be commonplace to call the street Main St, at that time.

So, ..Thomas Jones died 16 April 1905 from Bronchial Phneumonia, also from frequenting the Skinny Dog Hotel (across the road) a little too often, leaving eldest son Frederick to manage the shop until it went belly up in 1909. The family seems to have split up after that.
My father went on to his own successful clothing manufacturing business in Flinders' Lane Melbourne a few years later, but I have little info about that either.

Thomas and family arrived aboard the Gulf of Venice at Melbourne 25 May 1884, I have no further info as their whereabouts until my father Charles was born 15 Feb 1888

[cando]

I would be inclined to think this is the same Thomas Jones, maybe selling up to finance the family's trip to NZ in 1891-2??

He would have been declared insolvent and his assets assigned and now they were being sold as part of his trust estate.

[cando]

Frederick Thomas JONES was declared insolvent again in 1929 when he was living in Red Cliffs and as you know he died there in 1933 when he was only 47 years old.  His death was registered at Mildura.

Argus  25 May 1929
NEW INSOLVENTS
Frederick Thomas Jones, of Red Cliffs, tailor.   Cause of insolvency : — Inability to collect money due to him, slackness in business, pressure of creditors,     and inability to obtain credit for materials to carry on business. Liabilities, £485 ; assets, £64/19/. deficiency, £370/10/.

On the 1924 electoral roll he and his wife, Ethel Elsa Evelyn were living at 37 Lemon Avenue, Mildura and his occupation, tailor's cutter.  Ethel died 18 Aug 1967 and her death was registered at Maryborough however she had been living at Avoca for a number of years.  She was aged 68 years and is buried in the Avoca Cemetery.  Her maiden name was HARDY and she was born in 1899 at Moonabel.

Cando

[judb]

The Box Hill Reporter was (obviously   )distributed throughout the Box Hill area.  Box Hill is only 8km from Kew which is on the direct route from Box Hill to the city by road, passing through Mont Albert, Balwyn, Deepdene, Auburn and then Kew.  I assume there would have been some kind of public transport in 1906, although the tram from the city was not extended to Mont Albert until about 1916.

Cheers, Judith

[DavidJ1952]

Thanks Cando

Fred was a gunner in 50 Battery, 13th Field Artillery at the battle of Fromelles, 19-20 July 1916, ..having suffered real and imagined injuries during that and subsequent conflicts I would surmise that post war day to day living would have been difficult at best., although I have no info post war re his injuries, other than being gassed in 1917.
So, .. his death at age 50 (September Quarter 1883, somehow his age is wrong on his memorial stone in Avoca cemetry) was most likely caused by war injuries. There is an inherited family blood disorder which may have been a cause.

I had only scanty info about Mildura, although I have  a suspicion Frederick and Ethel, and his niece Edna may have been involved in a clothing shop there.


I guess the family would have advertised in other papers of the time in that locality, not just the Box Hill Reporter. I would think that local papers specific to the Kew area of that period would have survived somewhere. The family lived all their lives here.

[cando]

Yes I did read Frederick T's digitised WW1 file on the NAA website.  No injuries noted on his file
http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/NAAMedia/ShowImage.asp?B=1817504&S=4&T=R

Death
JONES Frederick Thomas
Father Thomas  Mother Phoebe UNKNOWN
At Mildura  47 years  1933  Reg#12987

David I can only transcribe information available from the death indexes.  Are you sure he is actually buried at Avoca and not Mildura?  His name is on the headstone but as you mentioned, perhaps memorialised only.
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ausvsac/Avoca.htm
Fairly expensive to transport bodies even in the 1930's and Avoca is not on the main rail link to Melbourne from Mildura....and they had been having financial problems only 4 years prior to his death.    Aren't you curious to know what he died from?  I like to know what caused my ancestors' deaths....all adds to the family history.  The certificate would also give his usual residence at time of death.

Perhaps his age was taken from their marriage cert and people are not always honest with their ages...especially when marrying a younger woman. He was born 1883 and Ethel 1899 so when they married in 1922 he would have been c39 and she 23.  Perhaps he dropped a few years of his age

Birth
HARDY Ethel Elsa Evylan [sic]
Father James Brewer  Mother Margaret Jane PEACOCK
At Moonambel  1899  Reg#20725   

Australian Electoral Roll -
1909
JONES Frederick Thomas  27 Cotham Road, Kew  Cutter

1924
JONES Frederick Thomas 37 Lemon Avenue, Mildura  Tailor's cutter
JONES Ethel Elsa Evelyn  37 Lemon Avenue, Mildura  HD

1931
JONES Ethel Elsa Evelyn  90 Peel Street, Kew  HD
JONES Frederick Thomas  90 Peel Street, Kew  Cutter

1936, 1937
JONES Ethel Elsa Evelyn  Leibig Street, Avoca  HD

1943
JONES Ethel Elsa Evelyn  174 Bank Street, South Melbourne  HD

1949
JONES Ethel Elsa Evelyn  1121 Nepean Highway, Highett  HD

1963
JONES Ethel Elsa Evelyn  Leibig Street, Avoca  HD

Cheers
Cando

[cando]

I guess the family would have advertised in other papers of the time in that locality, not just the Box Hill Reporter. I would think that local papers specific to the Kew area of that period would have survived somewhere.

In 1888 Kew’s first local Newspaper,The Mercury was published. This was followed by The Kew Sentinel.

The Kew Mercury 1888 - 1911 on microform at the State Library of Victoria.
http://www2.slv.vic.gov.au/about/using/guides/resources/newspapers/vic_k.html

Cando