Born 'At Sea'

[rosijayne]

On the 1911 census a relative of mine  name of ERNEST OSBORNE aged 29 states that he was born at sea. This would work that he was born in 1882.

However, his parents, ARTHUR WILLIAM OSBORNE and FANNY ANDREWS were married on 4/5/1889, which does not tie up with his birth date. They were married in the EAST ASHFORD area.

I suppose what's really puzzling me here, is why ERNEST was born at sea, when his father ( ARTHUR ) was a platelayer for the South Eastern and Chatham railway. I cant understand why they may have been at sea. Also, the date of birth not adding up.

Is there anyway I can view births at sea records, and would it necessitate buying a certificate to do so?

Look forward to hearing from anybody who can help here

rosiejayne

[groom]

I dont know if this helps but this comes up under born at sea births

Armed Forces BMD  Birth

Ernest F W Osborne
Regiment:11th Hussars
Place : Mousley
1882
Volume : 274 Page: 76
Record source: GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924)

What does the 1891 and 1901 census say?

[carol8353]

Snap Groom  , I was just going to ask if he had been found on earlier censuses?

Also,do you have his marriage cert,if so what info does it give about his father and who were the witnesses?

Carol

[groom]

Found them on the 1891 -  This may just add to the puzzle, was Ernest actually Fanny's brother and not their son?

 RG12; Piece: 749; Folio: 115; Page: 34
 78, Coolinge Road, Folkestone



Arthur W Osborne   26  Platelayer SE Railway                 Sussex
Fanny Osborne   27                                                     Smeeth Kent
Edith Osborne   1  daughter                                              Folkestone
Ernest Andrews   10 brother in law                              Mersham, Kent
Edith Andrews   13    sister in law                                      Smeeth
Anne Tribe   17   servant
Ellen Daniels   54   boarder
Bertha E Andrews   23 boarder
Mary Louis Andrews   25  boarder
Fanny Vanstraweza   60  boarder

[carol8353]

Ah I have found the family in 1891,it is looking like Ernest was born an Andrews,not an Osborne.

At 78 Coolinge Road,Folkestone.


Arthur W Osborne 26 head ,platelayer on South Eastern Railway b Sussex
Fanny Osborne 27 wife b Sneeth? Kent
Edith Osborne dau b Folkestone.
Ernest Andrews 10 brother in law b Mersham Kent
Edith Andrews 13 sis in Law b Sneeth?

Anne Tribe 17 servant b Folkestone
Ellen Daniels 54 married boarder b Dover
Bertha E Andrews 23 boarder single living on own means b Bidborough
Mary Louis Andrews 25 Ditto ditto
Fanny Vanstraweza 60 boarder widow Ditto ditto b France
 
 Oh Groom you type faster than me 
Exactly what I thought is Ernest brother to Fanny?
 

[groom]

Looks as if Ernest may have taken the Osborne name as he was brought up by Arthur. He isn't with them in 1901


1901   78, Coolinge Road, Folkestone
Piece: 847 Folio: 100 Page: 22    

Arthur W   Osborne Head       M   36        Market Gardener           Hyden, Sussex       
Fanny   Osborne  Wife             F            37                                      Sellinge Hythe, Kent       
Edith E   Osborne   Daughter       F   11                                      Folkestone, Kent       
Arthur W Osborne   Son       M             9                                      Folkestone, Kent       
Elsie W    Osborne Daughter      F              8                              Folkestone, Kent       
Dorothy F V  Osborne   Daughter      F      3                              Folkestone, Kent

Plus servant and 4 boarders

[rosijayne]

Thanks groom and carol, you are doing a fab job between you !

I was still trying to locate 1891 and 1901 census, so very many thanks for all of this info.

It seems as though you may be right about ERNEST being born an ANDREWS, and taking the name of OSBORNE.

I looked at the birth at sea with interest, but do not think this one to be a connection, ( many thanks anyway groom ) as the family background does not seem to add up.

On the 1911 census ERNEST is married to CLARA, living in Peckham Park Road, South East London.  They had two children at the time, LILY and WINIFRED. If anybody would kindly like to confirm that I am not reading this wrongly under ERNEST, that he was born at sea.  I do not know how to post the link to that census, sorry, as my teenage son is out at the moment!!

Thank you for posting census info,

rosiejayne

[groom]

The image definitely says at sea - are you 100% sure that this is your Ernest?


There are two Ernest Andrews born about the right time in Kent:

Ernest Edward Andrews   Sept quarter 1882  East Ashford  2A 776

Ernest Hemmings Andrews  March quarter 1882 East Ashford 2A 806

[carol8353]

So do you have the marriage cert of Ernest to Clara- what is her maiden name?

Carol