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Re: Date for CDV / Are these the same person?
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 24 July 12 07:33 BST (UK) »
That's interesting because the hairstyle of the second woman is quite different with the ears showing isn't it!   Glad I got the time about right for the first two!!   ;)

To me the second woman looks older -  - slightly more tired looking - to me.   But i see what you mean about the eyes!

What struck me was the plain, unadorned dress of #2 woman - what we can see of it!

I wonder if they belonged to a sect which went in for plain dressing - Amish  for example??
Gaunt, Ransom, McNally, Stanfield, Kimberley. (Tasmania)
Brown, Johnstone, Eskdale, Brand  (Dumfriesshire,  Scotland)
Booth, Bruerton, Deakin, Wilkes, Kimberley
(Warwicks, Staffords)
Gaunt (Yorks)
Percy, Dunning, Hyne, Grigg, Farley (Devon, UK)
Duncan (Fife, Devon), Hugh, Blee (Cornwall)
Green, Mansfield, (Herts)
Cavenaugh, Ransom (Middlesex)
 

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Re: Date for CDV / Are these the same person?
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 24 July 12 08:45 BST (UK) »
#2 lady looks like a photograph of a heavily-retouched photo - this could explain the very plain appearance of the dress (not all details were painted in).

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Re: Date for CDV / Are these the same person?
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 24 July 12 08:56 BST (UK) »
Thanks Prue     - - - - - - -   that explains things!   

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Gaunt, Ransom, McNally, Stanfield, Kimberley. (Tasmania)
Brown, Johnstone, Eskdale, Brand  (Dumfriesshire,  Scotland)
Booth, Bruerton, Deakin, Wilkes, Kimberley
(Warwicks, Staffords)
Gaunt (Yorks)
Percy, Dunning, Hyne, Grigg, Farley (Devon, UK)
Duncan (Fife, Devon), Hugh, Blee (Cornwall)
Green, Mansfield, (Herts)
Cavenaugh, Ransom (Middlesex)
 

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Re: Date for CDV / Are these the same person?
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 24 July 12 12:26 BST (UK) »
Ooh - lot's of responses.  Thanks everyone!

As far as the eye spacing is concerned, I still think it may be the same woman, and they just look closer together due to parallax.  I did some measurements on the photographs, and if they are the same person, for the eyes to look that close, the head would have to rotated about 30 degrees with respect to the straight-on photograph.  I think this could be true for the unknown photo.

This rotation could also account for the slightly different jaw line and cheek shape, since it's fairly difficult to get an impression of the 3-dimensional facial structure from only the straight-on photo.  I also measured the ratio of the vertical distance between the eyes and nose and eyes and mouth, and it was essentially identical for the two photos - 0.6, though I'm not sure how much this varies between different people.

The woman actually died in September, 1886, the same year the photo was taken, at the age of 51.  She was not Amish as far as I know.  Being farmers in rural Vermont, I doubt they had much need or means to own very fancy clothes.

If the photo was cropped by the scanner, it only cut off a few pixels.  I think the photo itself might have been cut to fit in the album.  I do have another photo that would appear to be contemporary which was not cut down as much, which I'll post here.  I actually was curious about whether this is the same woman as another photo I have too.  I can post it here, or start another thread for it.


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Re: Date for CDV / Are these the same person?
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 24 July 12 12:54 BST (UK) »
Here are the three ladies together.  My feeling is that lady 1 and lady 2 (on the left and right below) are very similar but not the same person, but as lady 2 looks like her photo has been well and truly retouched, the little differences could be down to that.

Lady 3 (in the middle) looks different again, to both the others.

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Re: Date for CDV / Are these the same person?
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 24 July 12 12:58 BST (UK) »
Sorry, I wasn't making the claim that the last photo I posted was the same person as the others, just that the photo looked like it was taken around the same time as the first photo, probably by the same photographer.  I do have another photo that I think is the same woman as the last one, but I have not posted it yet.

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Re: Date for CDV / Are these the same person?
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 24 July 12 17:03 BST (UK) »
Agree the 1st. one is 1860's & early-mid decade.
The 2nd. as has already been said is an over-painted enlargement of an earlier photo probably from the late 1860's.
The 3rd. is late 1860's also.
It's possible the first 2 are the same woman a few years apart.

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