Date for CDV / Are these the same person?

[blamking]

I'm looking for a date for these two CDV's, which evidently were taken together.  I do not have a scan of the backs, but if I recall correctly, they were fairly plain, indicating they were taken at Aldrich's in Barnet, VT.  Picasa suggested that the woman is my great great great grandmother.  I would like to know what everyone else thinks, so I will post the photo I have that I know to be her.

Thanks in advance.

[blamking]

Here is the CDV that I know to be my ggggrandmother, evidently taken in 1886.

[Wiggy]

Interesting that she is wearing what appears to be a plain 'wedding band' on her middle finger!

Is it just dating you want for these photo??   

If restoring is required, add that fact to the original title!   

At a guess I'd say the same woman, and I'm guessing late 1860s - but wait for those who know more than I!

Wiggy 

[blamking]

I think the photographs are fine the way they are - I usually prefer them as close to the original as possible, unless there is serious damage.  If anybody wants to use them for practice, feel free though.

The more I look at them, the more I think they are the same person as well.  Certain asymmetries in the face stand out, especially the mouth and philtrum (I had to look that one up - it's the dip under the nose)

Thanks for the date.  I will see what others think too.  Do you think it is safe to assume that these are husband and wife?

[Wiggy]

Can't hazard a guess about that - You would presume so     - - - -  or brother and sister??

I wonder why the ring is on the 'wrong' finger though. - Or is this a custom in  - -  Vermont?   I wonder if anyone can give a different explanation - e.g. was married but now widowed - interesting

Good photos aren't they!     ( I have been playing - great to work on!  I like photos close to the original as well!    )

Wiggy 

[blamking]

My best guess would be that her fingers shrunk a little and instead of getting the ring resized, moved it to the slightly larger finger.  With the seasonal extreme's in temperature in Vermont, this could easily be the case.  I've never heard of this being a custom in Vermont, but I'm no expert on this stuff either.  Her husband died in 1882, so if you are even somewhat correct about the date, she would not have been widowed yet.  I hope I can identify the man as my great great great grandfather, since I do not know of any other photos of him yet.

[garydevine]

I'm no expert but I would say they aren't the same woman. The top photos eyes are more closer to the nose and the head shape and jaw/ chin are different.

Gary

[garydevine]

The eyes don't look the same.

Just a thought but the bottom photo looks like a drawing, a very realistic drawing. A sort of mini portrait.

Gary

[chinakay]

I would suggest for the first photo mid-late 1860s. Maybe earlier because of the hairstyle, but the pose is a later 1860s one. It would be good if we could see the whole thing including the outer corners, a dating tool.

The second photo looks to be a different person, because as Gary mentioned, the eyes are quite different. Also, the two women appear to be about the same age...at least the second photo doesn't seem to be of a woman at least 20 years older than the first. A daughter, perhaps.

I'm also thinking the first photo is a later reprint, as the red line around the edge is I think an 1870s style, but the dress and hairstyle are earlier.

Cheers,
China