Ann Treharn - Lewis Jones

[kazza57]

Thanks WelshJo, no I haven't found John JONES on the 1851 census yet. Still looking for him.
For Parish records would I need to belong to Find my Past or is there another site available please?

[osprey]

as with most parish records, there isn't one site that has them all. Findmypast has some, FreeReg and FamilySearch. Also, not all events are recorded in parish records.

Where did your friend find the info about Jenkin & John? The census shows them enumerated as sons & born Cadoxton. There is a baptism for Jenkin son of William & Jennet, but it's in 1852 and another parish - Llantwit juxta Neath.

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/GLAImgMap.html

[kazza57]

Oh dear this is becoming confusing now. My friend said she found them with the parents I mentioned. Maybe they are grandson's of Ann JONES?
I was certain she checked Find my Past for them.

[osprey]

well, thankfully, I've just spotted John in 1861 and he is a grandson

Tynllechau Isha, Cadoxton juxta Neath RG9/4093 folio 6 pg 5
Ann Jones head widow 66 retired farmer
Margret dau 25
Ebenezer son 20 moulder
John Jones grandson 19 furnaceman in works
all born Cadoxton

Ebenezer's name is hard to mark out and he was the one I'd been searching for as it's a more unusual name. Looks like it begins with a g, but if you look at the Elizabeth in the next household, you can see that the enumerator wrote his es like that. Ebenezer is still at Tynllecha in 1881.

 

[osprey]

this 1871 census ties in the family nicely!

Tynllecha, Blaenhonddan, Cadoxton RG10/5436 folio 59 pg 7
David Jones head 33 tinplate washman
Ebenezer brother 29 tinplate shearer
Margreat sister 35 housekeeper
Gwilym nephew 13
David nephew 6
all born Glamorgan

I wonder if, given that Sarah is older than John, she was married previously and therefore married him as something other than Rees? Is there any mention of another name on the birth cert? It should say, Sarah Jones, formerly Rees, late ? if she had married before.

 

[kazza57]

Well the plot does thicken. lol

I have got Ebenezer right through to the 1911 census, he married Rachel REES later in life 26 March 1894 I have the marriage certificate with father Lewis JONES. Yes Ebenezer is Abenezer on one census and Eleanor on another but on the image it says Ebenezer so his name was recorded wrong in places. The place he lived at Blaenhonddan Cadoxton saved me several times.

I also have that 1871 census same family which I thought was mine. I have a death certificate for both John and Sarah Jones and their daughter Sarah in 1866 from Cholera. I was told that the 2 boys David and Gwilym went to live with the uncles in Cadoxton which proves this on the 1871 census. I also have John Jones Will which states the same. Ann Jones was left the estate until the others were of age.

[kazza57]

Ok I have found them on the 1861 census too. So John Jones b. 1842 is a grandson so that solves that issue. How did you get Ebenezer from Ghangred Jones?? I would not have looked at this census because of that name.

Now back to John JONES and Sarah nee REES. (1861 census) On the birth of their children Sarah and David it states Sarah Jones formerly REES of Blackpill Lane. I have been told they were market gardeners there.

Maybe you are right and Sarah Rees married prior. Now this David I talk about is my great grandfather, like I said his death cert in NZ has his mother maiden name as REES. I have since found his marriage cert here in Australia and it says his mothers maiden name is MILLS.

David Jones is still on the 1881 census with his uncle Ebenezer and David came to Australia and married in 1895 not sure when he came out or what boat etc. He then went to NZ with his family and died there.

[osprey]

I was searching for John on that census or I wouldn't have looked at someone transcribed as Ghangred. The first letter is an e though and the address is correct.

[kazza57]

Totally agree there, I looked on the image and you can see that it is Ebenezer. I can see now how misleading this can be when names are sometimes spelt how they sound or transcribed how people see it.