Elizabeth Holmes born abt 1857

[shilo]

Hello

I am trying to find Elizabeth Holmes born abt 1857 Holker or Cartmell Lancashire
her parents are Edward Holmes  and Jane Abbotson
she was baptized on the 27 Dec 1857 Cartmel, Lancashire, England
I have found her in the 1861, 71 and 81 census
after her mother Jane died in 1871 some of her family end up living in Urswick, Lancashire, England
I have found a marriage for a

Elizabeth Holmes born 1858 father Edward Holmes on the 14 Feb 1888  Urswick, Lancaster, England to a John Edward Boswick born 1855 his father is Edward Boswick

but I don't seem to be able to find Elizabeth and John after that
any help would be very much appreciated to solve this mystery

thank you
Jackie

[crisane]

I have found a marriage for a Elizabeth Holmes born 1858 father Edward Holmes on the 14 Feb 1888  Urswick, Lancaster, England to a John Edward Boswick born 1855 his father is Edward Boswick
but I don't seem to be able to find Elizabeth and John after that
any help would be very much appreciated to solve this mystery
thank you
Jackie

On same page FreeBMD
Elizabeth Holmes
John Edward BoRwick March 1/4 1888 reg district Ulverston vol 8e page 1043


I'll see if I can fnd them using Borwick cos I coulddn't using Boswick

[crisane]

1891 RG12/3480/68/29
Kirkby ireleth
Beckside
John E Borwick 36 Publican Kendal
Elizabeth 33 born Cartmel
John E 2 Kirkby
Lizzie 3 months Kirkby

[shilo]

Hello crisane

thank you very much 
I did try wild search and also different spelling somehow I must have missed them 
sometimes a fresh pair of eyes sure seems to make a difference lol
so he was a publican like his father in law

thank you again

Jackie

[crisane]

Hi Jackie
yeah I did wild searches too and they brought up nothing then when I put in Borwick there they were. Bah!

To think instead of being driven mad by ancestors we could just stick to being driven mad by present day family .

[shilo]

that would be nice but at the moment my ancestor are causing me less trouble then the living lol 

I have just found Elizabeth in the 1911 a few more children a widow and running the crown hotel grange over sands with a lot of staff
also have found a few pictures of the hotel it looks very big

thank you again I would have still been looking for her if not for your help 

Jackie

[Radcliff]

Possibly in Urswick earlier

St Mary the Virgin and St Michael
21st of March 1869
Jane Caroline Holmes
daughter of Edward and Jane
father a inn keeper
abode Great Urswick
I wonder which pub they had
The Derby and Burgoyne still open

[shilo]

Hi Radcliff

thank you 

I haven't started looking for any info on Jane Caroline yet
apart from finding her on the 1871 an 81 census

Thats interesting about Edwards occupation as a inn keeper in

1851 Wood cutter at Eskdale and Wasdale, Cumberland
1861 Wood cutter at Lower Holker, Lancashire
1871 Edward is a wood cutter Urswick, Lancashire
1871 Jane died in  at Urswick, Lancashire
1872 he then marries Margaret Atkinson at Urswick, Lancashire
1881 he is a laborer at Urswick, Lancashire
1891 he is a inn keeper at the Derby arms inn until his death in 1921

I wonder what inn he was running when Jane Caroline was born

looks like some more investigating to do

would The Derby you ref to be the Derby Arms Inn ?

thank you again

Jackie

note modified post
changed Elizabeth Holmes for Margaret Atkinson oopppss 

[shilo]

I wonder what occupation Edward Holmes gave when he married

Margaret Atkinson on 17 Apr 1872 at Urswick, Lancaster, England

or Jane Abbotson 15 Aug 1857 at Cartmel, Lancashire, England