Unknown names in family grave

[johnson]

Hi everyone, hope you can help me here. Located my great grandparents  and great aunts grave.Peter  and Mary Ann johnson and daughter Ann Clarke

In toxteth  cemetary and the names on the headstone corresponds to my research,
However looking at the new database for this cemetary and for the grave plot
And number there are two other people in the grave who I don't recognise
As family the plot is 352 cem grave 698. The other
two people are Thomas almond  94 upper Stanhope street toxteth park died26/2/1930
And James Rous 335 eaton road  liverpol. Died 8/2/1941.great grandparents were peter and Mary Anne johnson. Can't find the other two occupants in the census  it they must have family connections to be buried in the same plot . Can anyone please help. Thanks

[stanmapstone]

In municipal cemeteries there are Purchased Graves where the applicant purchases the Exclusive Right of Burial in this grave, effectively forming a private grave and giving the family of the deceased control of any future burials in that grave. The owner of the Right must give written permission before any burial can take place in a purchased grave. The Exclusive Right has a fixed term - usually 100 years after which time control of the grave is returned to the relevant authority. Un-purchased Graves are also known as 'Common' or 'Public' graves. The relevant authority retains control of the burials in these graves. Burial Law used to require a 14 year interval between successive burials in one of these graves, (unless the deceased were from the same family), but this law has since been repealed.

Stan

[Roger The Hat]

Similar thread here:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,602526.0.html

Not all people buried in the same plot had to be related!

'Hat.

[johnson]

Thanks stan and hat. I have bought a grave
Plot for my family but it would be fairly unusual to have non-related persons
In the same grave. One problem is that only the base stone
Of the grave is intact  with my grandparents and their
Daughters name on it. The monument on top is missing so the other names might have been on that. Can anyone trace the two unknown names in the census please?

[Gillg]

A 6 year old child, completely unrelated as far as I have been able to establish, was buried along with my family members in the late 1800s and is listed on the grave record.  She was not buried at the same time as any of the other occupants of the grave, so it must have been specially opened for her burial. 

[Cell]

Hi,
For James Rous, going by his given  age upon his death on the free BMD he was born about 1864 , He's in all of the censuses - in 1871 he's in Wales, he was born in Anglesey ( in 1891 ancestry has mistranscribed Anglesey as Austria for him lol )
by 1881 ,he and his family had moved to England and were living in the Liverpool areas, (he lived with his parents up to and including the 1891 census) - His family are mariners, marine engineers, whilst he is an artist, I don't think he ever gets married from what I can see from the censuses and from the BMD

 Do you have a sub to see the censuses? If so , you will find him in 1901 and 1911  if you search by using  his initial and surname  b] J Rous [/b]  (  it's probably why you couldn't find him) Rainhill Asylum.
 For all the previous censuses , youll find him by using his full name and born abt 1864

 A Thomas Almond and wife are in the 1911 census in the right area/right age group
You should  be able to find them by putting his name in and his about birth year of 1874 in the search box

This looks like their marriage  in June q 1903 from the free BMD -   married a Lillias Baxter Toxteth Park  reg


Hope that helps
Kind regards

[Nick29]

When I gave the church archivist a list of my ancestors so that she could tell me the location of their graves, I was surprised to learn that there were others buried in their graves, including a 4 year old girl (who was a grand-daughter).  The other names were mostly unknown to me at the time, but since then I have researched and found family connections for all but one of them, and that one I am sure was a close friend of the family who lived next door to one ancestor for quite some time.

This information has been very useful to me in establishing the family connections in the area. 

[johnson]

Thanks  Cell and Nick very interesting. My great grandad was a mariner
Born in Copenhagen as Pete Jensen but Anglisied his Name
To Johnson at some stage. Might be some connection between the families
With the sailing ships. Does it say where he lived in Liverpool?.

[Cell]

Does it say where he lived in Liverpool?.

Who lived? ( which person?)

 If you mean Rous   it was in Rainhill Asylum the  very last two censuses, so that is his address - His address after that? - who knows .  He was released at some point in time, poor bloke ,  because you have an  exact address for him when he was buried - do you mean the addresses  he lived at before he went into the asylum?

Kind regards