Cant family of Wickham St Paul 1802

[essexpoet]

The Underwood of Wickham St Paul information I have-

William Underwood c1829 married Charlotte Tokeley
children Harriet c1852 married James Warren
             James c1856
             Louisa c1859

Mary Underwood c1824 married Robert Ridgwell

I believe William and Mary were brother and sister - parents John & Elizabeth

Mike

[Paul Bruce]

Hi Mike, thank you for the offer. It will be a big breakthrough for me as I have only started this family research recently. I will sort out the best questions and get back to you. I am in NZ so all help is very much appreciated. Thanks again, Paul

[Opal]

In my paternal line, my gr.gr.grandmother was Elizabeth Finch.  Born on 27th Jan 1827 at CH and christened at the Independent Church, CH on 15th April 1827.  Her siblings were Mary b.1827, Ann b.1821, William b.1822-1902 and Sarah b.1825-1905 at CH.

Parents - Edward Finch bapt.14 April 1786 Sible H. married Sarah Bland b.1785 Belchamp St. Paul on 9th May 1809 at Bel. St. Paul.

Edward Finch b.1743 SH married Mary Druery on 29th July 1783 at SH.

Joseph Finch b.1713 SH married Elizabeth.

Edward Finch b.1688 SH married Frances.

Edward Finch b.1656 SH married Rachel.

Edward Finch b.1627 SH married Phillipa.

Christopher Finch died 1667 SH married Elizabeth.

I believe I have all of their siblings.  Taken from the Parish Records.  The Underwood line is from Birdbrook, Essex.
There is another Finch family in CH, an Edward Finch married to Sarah Pool and there does sometimes appear to be confusion on some trees online as their children have the same names as Elizabeth and her siblings in the 1820s.  I used the site where the CH Parish Registers are online to sort my Finch's out!

[essexpoet]

The Birdbrook Underwoods I have are
Solomon Underwood married Mary Simpson 1769 daughter Hannah Underwood born c 1780 (baptised 21/1/1781 at Birdbrook.

Your Finch line is interesting to me.
There were so many Finches in the area it is difficult to be sure but I believe that Edward and Mary also had a daughter Hannah baptised 3/3/1784.

Do you have an earlier marriage for Edward ?
I have an Edward Finch married to Susan Chalice in 1772 with children Susan 1773,Sarah 1775, Ann 1777 and Eleanor 1779. Wife Susan died 1780. I am wondering if it is the same Edward - he would have been looking for a new wife with four young children to look after.
It would be interesting if it was as Sarah 1775 was my 4xgreatgrandmother !
Maybe we are very distant half cousins

Mike

[Opal]

I used www.castlehedingham.org/index.html to view the transcribed Parish Records for CH.  I think it is of interest that the Finch's don't appear in them consistently till mid/late 18th century so I think their base is Sible Hedingham.
I have just spent an hour looking again to try and answer your question!  I have found this - Edward Finch m Susan Chalice 6th Sept 1772 at CH. Witnesses William Richardson and William Davie.
Their daughter, Eleanor is buried 2 June 1782 at CH.
In the christenings there is Eleanor on 7th March 1790 and Rhoda on 5th January 1794 both with Edward Finch and Mary as their parents.  So did your Edward marry a Mary from a neighbouring village?
In the burials there is Susan Finch buried 9th July 1780 - presumably nee Chalice.  Then Mary, wife of Edward Finch buried 25th January 1807.  Followed by Mary Ann (an infant) buried 22nd Feb 1807 but unfortunately no parents names but possibly the cause of Mary's death.
My Edward Finch m Mary Druery had Hannah bap.1784 and she was a sister to Edward Finch b.1786 at Sible Hed. and Henry Finch b.1794 d.1859 of SH. Given as the birthplace on the census.
My thinking is that there is one Edward F and Mary in CH and one in SH at the same time.
If you want to send me your email as a personal message I could invite you to see  my tree on Ancestry.   

[essexpoet]

thanks for your message. I have sent you a pm.

I have looked at the Castle Hedingham parish on line site again and also find christened to Edward and Mary Finch - Edward 29.6.1784 and Mary 11.12.1785 - these dates would seem to conclude that there were two Edward Finches as the dates are too close to your Edward and Hannah born in Sible. As you suggest my Edward may have remarried to a Mary - unless there were 3 Edward Finches about !
I think they could certainly be called a charm of finches.

Mike

[essexpoet]

Opal,

I have found a possibility -

23.5.1784 Edward Finch widower married Mary Dyson of Cavendish at St Peters Sudbury

Sudbury is about halfway between Cavendish and Castle Hedingham.

Mike

[Opal]

Another piece of the jigsaw solved!
I wonder if the following are connected from the Burial Register for CH - Mary w of Edward Finch buried 25 Jan 1807, Mary Ann (an infant) buried 22 Feb 1807 and William son of Edward Finch buried 16 Jan 1809.  Could they be the children and wife of your Edward?
There is also an Edward Finch 34 yrs buried 20th May 1821 - born 1787 approx - could he have been a son to your Edward and Mary in CH?
I would think it likely that a generation or earlier the two families were connected which between our research might come to light. 

[Paul Bruce]

Dear Mike, I am trying to find a link further back in Wickham St Paul and Gestingthorpe. Re : Ambrose Cant B1829 Wickham, father- Robert Cant B1780 Wickham / D1867 Wickham, mother- Sarah Anne Mitchell (Johnson) B1783 Gestingthorpe /  D1850 Gestingthorpe. Robert Cant was the son of Robert Cant B1760? and wife Sarah (Spink) b1760?of Wickham (?).  Sarah Anne Mitchell Johnson 1783-1850 was the daughter of Edward Johnson B1752 Gestingthorpe, D1802 Gestingthorpe and wife Sarah Mitchell B1750 /Death 21 Apr. 1824 1663863, Essex. Have you come across any Cant, Mitchell, Spink or Johnson links in your studies of Wickham St Paul or Gestingthorpe ?  Cheers Paul