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Please help me get my sister off my back !
« on: Sunday 15 July 12 13:44 BST (UK) »
Because of the work that I've done on our family tree, my sister thinks I'm a genealogical genius (which I really am not !) and she keeps asking me to help find her husband's long-lost half sister.  It's OK - I know the rules about posting details of living people on here, and I will not be breaking those rules, especially since I know almost nothing about this half-sister !  ::)

My brother-in-law's father was married twice, and the half sister is apparently the product of his first marriage.  I did ask him if he could give me a marriage certificate for this first marriage, so I could search under the mother's maiden name, but when it arrived it was the certificate for his second marriage !   At first I thought there was nothing I could do, until I read the certificate more closely, and under the groom's 'condition' it gives the details of his first marriage, including the first wife's maiden name.

The problem is that I can't find any record of either the first marriage, or a record of any child bearing his name and his wife's maiden name (the birth would have been around 1930 - 1935).

So here's what I know :

Father's name:  Harold Leslie Sleigh.  b. 13 Feb 1909 Blythe Bridge, Stoke On Trent, England.  Died : 27 Jun 1962, Woolwich, Greater London.

Details from 2nd Marriage Certificate:

Date: 1 Nov 1945, Registry Office, Macclesfield, in the County of Chester.

Groom:
Harold Leslie Sleigh, Aged 36 years.
Formerly the husband of Minnie Sleigh, formerly Ritchie, Spinster, from whom he obtained a divorce.
Rank or Profession: R.Q.M.S. No. 7879377 C.M.P. (Regular).
Residence at time of marriage: 39 Parkgate Road, Macclesfield.
Fathers Name : Harold Sleigh. Profession: Railway Signalman

Bride:
Sheila Mary Leadbetter, Aged 26 years.
Spinster, No occupation shown.
Residence at time of marriage: Fir Mount, Bracknell Road, Crowthorne, Berks.
Father's name: William James Leadbetter. Profession: Mental Hospital Attendant.
(This is my brother in law's mother, and she died in 1982 in Eltham, Gtr. London)

I've tried finding a marriage between a Harold Leslie Sleigh and a Minnie Ritchie around 1930, with no success.  I've also tried finding children born with a surname Sleigh, with a mother's name of Ritchie, also without success.

There is apparently a family story that Harold was stationed in Belfast when the breakup of his first marriage occurred (he allegedly threatened the other man with a gun !), but there is nothing to substantiate this.  It does, however, make me wonder if Minnie Ritchie came from Ireland, and maybe they married in Ireland ?  The Sleigh family does have Irish connections in the past.  My brother-in-law thinks that the child was female, and could have been called Edith.

If anyone has ideas about the child, could they please PM me, because she could still be alive.  Otherwise, any ideas on Harold Sleigh's first marriage or the identity of Minnie Ritchie would be much appreciated.

RIP 1949-10th January 2013

Best Wishes,  Nick.

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Re: Please help me get my sister off my back !
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 15 July 12 14:02 BST (UK) »
this may be silly question, but have you looked for a marriage of Harold Leslie Sleigh to a Miss Ritchie?  Is Minnie a nick name or shortened name?

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Re: Please help me get my sister off my back !
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 15 July 12 14:19 BST (UK) »
I've tried wildcards on both sets of surnames - no luck  :-\

 
RIP 1949-10th January 2013

Best Wishes,  Nick.

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Re: Please help me get my sister off my back !
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 15 July 12 14:30 BST (UK) »
Presumably your brother in law is Harold's next of kin?  In which case couldn't he apply for his father's military papers which I think may contain personal data such as marriage and children


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Re: Please help me get my sister off my back !
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 15 July 12 14:54 BST (UK) »
Hi

Have found these marriages on freebmd of a Minnie  Sleigh/Ritchie, in Birmingham, could it be your Minnie remarrying ?

Marriage Sept. 1942

Sleigh /Ritchie  Minnie   to Joseph Taylor   Birmingham  vol. 6d  page 1164

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Re: Please help me get my sister off my back !
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 15 July 12 15:05 BST (UK) »
Another thought is - did he serve abroad?  Could he have married and produced the daughter whilst overseas?   :-\



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Re: Please help me get my sister off my back !
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 15 July 12 15:20 BST (UK) »
Hi,

Did Harold leave a Will?


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« Reply #7 on: Sunday 15 July 12 15:38 BST (UK) »
Probate was granted to his wife Sheila Mary.

Regards
William Russell Jones.
Jones, Griffiths. Stephens, Parry, Gabriel, Conway, Hughes, Evans, Roberts, Lea, Hanmer. Peake, Edwards. Newnes, Davies. Thomas. "Blythin".
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Re: Please help me get my sister off my back !
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 15 July 12 15:53 BST (UK) »
There are no Armed Forces birth registrations with surname Sleigh between 1889 & 1948, so any children of the first marriage would presumably have been registered under the relevant civil system (if any). Similarly there are no Armed Forces marriages with Sleigh surname prior to 1945.

I did look to see if TNA had a record for the divorce (they have some upto 1937) but nothing apparent from a search.