Rogers of Llanfair DC

[Huwcyn]

I'd be grateful for as much census information as possible on the two 'Rogers' families who lived at
Fron Fawr and Brynobwst at Llanfair DC . I think the family at Brynobwst turns into 'Edwards' at the end of the 19th century.

[stuizzy]

Here's 1881 at Fron Fawr
John Head Mar 59 Farmer of 60 acres
Jane Wife    "    57
Mary E. Daur Unm 21
Richard  Uncle Widr 89 Retired Farmer
Susannah Davies mother in law Widow 80

All from Llanfair

1871
John                Rogers Head  47 Farmer of 60 acres
Jane                    "       Wife 46
John                    "       Son  15 Scholar
Mary                    "       Daur 12   "
Thomas Owen     "       Son    7    "
+ 2 servants

It's a start anyway
Isobel

[stuizzy]

P.S Unless noted, they're all Rogers and all born in Llanfair

[stuizzy]

1871 at Brynobwst
Edward Edwards Head Mar 48 Farmer 40 acre    Flint, Esgoiliog (?)
Martha      "          Wife  Mar 46   Wife                   Llanfair DC
John          "          Son   Unm 16   " son                    "
Eleanor     "          Daur  Unm  14   " daur                   "
Mary         "          Daur             10   "  "                      "
Eleanor Rogers   Mother in law Widow 82 Boarder    "

Class: RG10; Piece 5663;Folio 64 Page 11

So this explains the change from Rogers to Edwards

[despair]

It looks possible that the 1851 Brynobwst family below is the source for both the later families via John and Martha:-

HO 107  2504  296  2

Robert   62
Ellen      62
John      29
Martha  26
David    23

All born Llanfair DC
Significant parts of Llanfair DC are missing from the 1841 and 1861 censuses.

Regards
Roger

[stuizzy]

There is a wedding between Martha Rogers and Edward Edwards in 3rd Quarter 1853 Ruthin Vol 11b page 437

Also between John Rogers and Jane Davies in 2nd Quarter Ruthin Vol 11b page 589

Also, here's 1851 at Brynobwst
Robert  Rogers Head M 62 Farmer of 50 acres emp 1 lab
Ellen          "      Wife M  62 Farmer wife
John          "       Son U   29 Farmer son employed on farm
Martha      "       Daur U 26 Farmer daur employed in house
David        "       Son  U 23 Farmer son employed on farm
Mary Williams Serv    U  14 House servant

All born in Llanfair DC
Class HO107; Piece 2504; Folio 296; Page 2

Hope this all helps
Isobel

[Huwcyn]

Thank you all very much indeed. Two of us are working in opposite directions to see if we've got the same family in mind ! .
     I'm a bit confused as to the status of some of the villages in this area, as I do not know the place at all. Is Derwen considered a separate parish , or is it a village within the parish ?

[despair]

Derwen is a separate parish:
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/DEN/Derwen/
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/DEN/LlanfairDC/

Regards
Roger

[dmjones]

Don't make the mistake which I did, there are two Derwens! one is a village a few miles due west of Llanfair DC close to Corwen, the other is the now defunct parish of Derwen Llanerch (often refered to as just Derwen) which is less than a  mile east of Pentrecelyn where Rogers families later farmed (Pendyffryn, Pentrecelyn farm, Fron Ucha etc.)
David