22 Brisbane Street, Liverpool - Miller

[IBarwise]

The George who died in 1940 in Bianca street was the father of Robert who also died in Bianca st, the father of George and Albert who went to Canada, and the father of your husband's grandmother Margaret. So he would have been about 82 (and maybe he died of old age just before the bomb - I'm not sure). George's wife Margaret (Kelly) died in Q1 1891, so in the 1891 census George senior is shown as a lodger with his brother William.

[Genny1411]

Thanks IBarwise   Again we appreciate it.

We received the marriage certificate today from John Thomas Miller and Margaret Barwise.  We need a little help now with the Miller line.

24 Aug. 1913 the marriage took place.    The father of John Thomas Miller is shown as Henry Miller, Dock Labourer.  John Thomas was 24 y.o. at the time, bachelor, stoker Royal Navy living at 51a Skirving St., Liverpool.  Margaret Barwise was shown as 22 y.o., spinster, Labeller in Bottling Stores, living at 8 Skirving St., Liverpool, George Barwise (Publician) was her father and is shown as deceased.  They were married at St. Anthony's Church according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Roman Catholics.  St. Anthony's Church is shown as Scotland Road, Liverpool, county of Liverpool.

Is there any way of tracing the great grandfather Henry Miller???  That's the first we've heard of that name.

Thanks,

Glenda

[IBarwise]

That's strange - as I understand it, George didn't die till 1940.

I think now you need to search the censuses and birth/marriages. Many of these sites you have to pay for. I'd try these two first:

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/

and

http://www.GenesReunited.co.uk

BTW, the only other brother/sister I know of who didn't die young was Robert, who was killed by the bomb, and appears to have had no family. There's a possibility that George senior married again about 1902, and had a son Henry, but I'm not really sure.

[Genny1411]

Will try those 2 sites as well IBarwise.  Very interesting this research business, takes us all over the place lol.

Seems to me its easier in the UK than Canada though, one province here Saskatchewan has strict Privacy laws which are preventing us from researching George's mum any further but we're going to persist lol. 

Take care and thank you.

Glenda

[ShaunJ]

I think this is probably John Thomas Miller's navy records http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/details/D7076056?uri=D7076056-details.

[ShaunJ]

We received the marriage certificate today from John Thomas Miller and Margaret Barwise

Who were the witnesses?

[ShaunJ]

Just a possibility in the 1891 census:

26 Howley Street Kirkdale

Henry Miller 37 Dock labourer - Germany, Dantzic
Mary A -  wife 24  Gloucester
Harriet - daur   9 Liverpool
Marie - daur   8  do
Thomas - son   2  do
William H - son   5 months  do

 

[ShaunJ]

and the same family in 1901 at 19 Doncaster Street:


Henry Muller - 48 Dock labourer - Germany British Subject
Mary Muller wife 39 Gloucester, Duseley (?)
Maria Muller daur 18 Fuze Light maker Liverpool
John Muller son 13 Liverpool
William Muller son   11 Liverpool
Catherine Muller  daur 8  do
Charles Muller   son 4 do
Harriet Muller   daur 20 packer if fuze light works do

[ShaunJ]

Catholic baptisms to Henry (Henrici) Muller and Mary Ann (Mariae Annae) Reeves:

Maria - St Peter's Priory -1883

Maria Anna  - St Sylvester - 1886

Catherina - St Alphonsus - 1893

Carolus Julius - St Anthony's - 1897

Christophorus - St Sylvester - 1900

Jacobus Eduardus - St Alphonsus - 1903