22 Brisbane Street, Liverpool - Miller

[CaroleW]

Hi Glenda

Did you check out the Miller/Barwise children on freebmd

Freebmd shows 6 births between 1920-1929 surname Miller with mothers maiden name Barwise

www.freebmd.org.uk

Just select births then input surname Miller and spouse surname Barwise

Dates - show 1920-1929 and select Lancashire from the county list

What puzzles me is the absence of births between 1913-1919. 

[garstonite]

Possibly away in WW1 ??

[Genny1411]

Yes, we did check out the children on freebmd and we figured the same thing , that he was away in WWI - we knew he was in the Navy so we figured that was the reason no children during that timeframe.  Hubby now has a list of his aunts and uncles, some of whom he hadn't even known about lol.  Am waiting on the marriage certificate for John Thomas and Margaret and then perhaps can figure out some more details.

Thanks
Glenda

[IBarwise]

Margaret's mother Margaret Kelly died Q1/1891, maybe in childbirth. It looks like her husband passed the children off to other relatives or orphanages. Two of them went to Canada as "home children" - George Frederick Barwise 1885-1979, who eventually died in Montana, and Albert Edward Barwise 1888-1972 who died in New Hampshire. I don't think either had children. My own family of Barwises lived close by in Kirkdale/Bootle - we are distant relatives - you can see the ancestors on the Barwise Rootsweb site. I think George senior and his brother Robert were both killed in an air raid in Bootle in 1940. My own family's house in the next street in Bootle was also destroyed, and some of my father's family in the same street were killed.   

[CaroleW]

Here is the entry for Robert Barwise but there is no entry for George on www.cwgc.org

http://www.cwgc.org/search-for-war-dead/casualty/3116987/BARWISE,%20ROBERT

The only George F Barwise death was in 1933 but he is shown as b 1870

There is a George W Barwise death in 1934 b 1876 but middle initial is wrong

[Genny1411]

Well how exciting to get to know you and than you for your response  George will be thrilled (hubby's name lol)  It seems to run through the family.  He met his uncle Albert when he was a toddler and I believe one had offspring.  He kind of knew his grandfather died during the war but wasn't sure...so this is very interesting news.  

OK here's what we have thanks to a relative of mine who also did some digging : You may already have some of this info but if not maybe it'll be good for your records as well.
Luella Edith Campfield Barwise married George F. Barwise in 1923, St. Clair County, Michigan USA.  She is buried in the Greenwood Cemetery, Wolf Point, Roosevelt County, Montana, USA.  They had no children.  George is buried in the same cemetery as Luella.

From the Home Children's Records (Canada)

Albert E. Barwise, 7 years old, male, came on the ship Parisian left from Liverpool in 1893 with Miss Birt's children to Knowlton, Quebec.  

George F. Barwise, 8 years old, male, on the ship Parisian left  from Liverpool, March 23, 1893, arrival port:  Halifax, destination Knowlton, Quebec also with Miss Birt's children.


Both Albert Edward and George Frederick Barwise were in the Liverpool Sheltering Home (I believe the records are now with Barnardo's and they require 65 pounds to release them).

Will PM you a problem we are having re. a baptism.

By the way Mrs. Birt or Miss Birt brought many many orphans over from England to Canada.  They became known as Mrs. Birt's children.  I'm not sure its the same person but Louisa Birt set up and ran the Liverpool Sheltering Home....evidently she also accompanied adoptees to Canada.

A little more on Albert

In 1922 he was 32 y.o., married, a garageman.  Foster father:  Art Buchanan, Dunham Quebec.  He married a Hazel who was also a foster child of Art Buchanan, Dunham Quebec, Canada.  Albert became an American citizen on 17 March 1944.  George said he also met children but maybe we can do some more digging and find out who they were.

Thank you, take care,
Glenda

[IBarwise]

George lived in Bianca st Bootle in 1940 (the next street to my father's, Othello st) when he died, and that's given as the place where Robert died, although Robert's address was given as Carolina st). So I just assumed they were both killed by the bombs (they both died in 1940).

[Genny1411]

Thank you CaroleW - will take a look at that record as well lol. IBarwise, have sent you a PM.  Have to go out for a bit, but will be back on later

Glenda

[Genny1411]

Hi Ibarwise, I think you may be referring to a different George than the one that came to Canada with Mrs. Birt's children.   I do know my husband's mother was Margaret Barwise and her brothers George and Albert were placed in foster care - I assume when her mother passed away.  Her mother was Margaret Kelly.  Her father was George Frederick Barwise. They were married in June qtr 1880.  In 1890 they were living in Bootle cum Linacre when Margaret (junior) was a baby.  However at 1 year old she is shown in the 1891 census as living with her aunt and uncle in Liverpool.