I am TRULY confused...

[Carole in Dallas]

While researching my Shirley/Sherley line I came across this information...but I cannot find this location in the UK...Can someone help me with this location?

Thanks

RALPH SHIRLEY, Lord of Eatington

Ralph Shirley was born 23 April 1392, son of Sir Hugh Shirley and wife, Beatrice DeBroase. Ralph was buried in the chancel of the church at Brailesford, Warwick County. Sir Ralph resided principally at his manor at Radcliff-on-Soar, and died about 1443.

married 1st Joan Basset dau and heir of Thomas Basset of Brailsford esq and lived Radcliff upon Soar, Nottingham Co

[Joy45]

Hi

Have found a Brailsford in Derbyshire which has the Brailsford church. If you put in Brailsford Derbyshire in google you will be able to see if it is what you are looking for.

Joy

[johnxyz]

A quick Google suggests the Shirley may be Shirley Derbyshire, which fits geographically with the Brailsford mentioned in reply #1.

[g eli]

The Shirley's seem to have had properties in Brailsford ,Ashbourne, Shirley all of which are fairly close to each other in Derbyshire.The Lord of Eatington is also written as Ettington which is south east of Stratford upon Avon in Warwickshire Ettington was also one of their manors.
I would think that somehow the two place Brailsford Derbyshire and Ettington Warwickshire got mixed up.
Liz

[johnxyz]

When I started to look seriously at one of my lines that goes back this far, it rapidly became clear that much of what was on-line was a conflation of fact, speculation, and myth.

One source that I think is reliable is

http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=50723

giving some detail of Shirley burials at Brailsford.

John

[johnxyz]

Having said in the previous post I thought it reliable, I've just re-read the link and realised its geography is wrong! Brailsford is 7 miles south-east of Ashbourne, 6 mile north-west of Derby, on the A52.

[Carole in Dallas]

....hmmmmm

Soooo...Is Brailsford that this source is referring to the Brailsford in Derbyshire and not the one in Warwick? 

When I am going back this far, I often do wonder if such counties were not the same as they are today...

So...with all of your wonderful help...is it a consensus to say that Brailsford is the one in Derbyshire...

[Carole in Dallas]

PS

In the 1700s in New York, Tappan was part of Orange County but became part of Rockland County in the 1800s....I was wondering if the same happened here....

Brailsford was a part of one county but now is a part of another....

I did find the Brailsford Parish Church over in Derbyshire...I was hoping that they had Memorial Inscriptions....but I will have to send a letter to their historical society in order to obtain that information.

[DebbieG]

Hi

If you check this bio of Ralph it is fairly clear that the Brailsford reffered to is the one in Derbyshire

http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1386-1421/member/shirley-sir-ralph-1391-1443

He also had lands in Warwickshire (and Leicestershire & Nottinghamshire)

The Shirleys seem to have been good at marrying heirsses and adding to their lands - quote from 'Leicestershire a gentry community in the fifteenth century'

'Of five succeeding generations of Shirleys in the late fourteenth and fifteeth centuries,  only one John Shirley failed to marry an heiress.  Ralph I's father Hugh, Ralph I himself, Ralph II and Ralph III all married heiresses thereby adding to their estates'.

As you will see from the extract I linked to they inherited Brailsford Derbyshire through Ralph I's marrriage with the heiress Joan daughter of Thomas Bassett

I have found the History of Parliment web-site to be very good and well reserched,  the last paragraph states -

Tradition in the Shirley family has it that Sir Ralph died overseas in 1443, his body being brought back to England for burial in the Lady chapel of the collegiate church in the Newarke, Leicester, ‘in a costly and beautiful tomb’ which also housed the body of his first wife, Joan, removed from its original resting-place at Ratcliffe-upon-Soar.

So I am not sure why the folks who put together the other one should think he is in Brailsford Church