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Mystery of the death of Peter Pendleton
« on: Wednesday 11 July 12 20:28 BST (UK) »
I have been searching for the death record of my great grandfather Peter Pendleton for many years.  He was born in Huyton in 1853.  I have his baptism, his marriage, every census to 1911, addresses for him in 1918, 1920 and 1922 (taken from son's army records).  My father, who was born in 1911, remembered him well.  So... I know he died after 1922.  I know he went to live with his daughter Jane, who married Henry Barton.  They lived in St Helens (they had a china shop).  Jane Barton died in 1934.  I am guessing that he probably died between 1922 and 1934. 

I sent for a death certificate of a Peter Pendleton who died in 1926 but it wasn't him.  I know that there were three Peter Pendletons born around 1853 (one was his brother who died as a baby).  I have followed the other one, and I am sure it is his death certificate I have.

Now... I have just found a record I haven't found before!  But I don't understand it.  Can anyone help?  It is from FindMyPast, and it is a death of a Pendleton on a ship.  It doesn't give the first name, so it could be a complete red herring.  These are the details:

Name:PENDLETON
Date of death:July 1923
Age:
Place of death:
Place of birth:
Belonging to service:
Ship's name:San Gil
Series:BT334 - Registers and Indexes of Births, Marriages and Deaths of Passengers and Seamen at Sea
Box:0078

What is the ship, and does it mean this person worked on the ship, or was a passenger.

I am not sure if I've posted this on the right forum but given he is from Lancashire!!

Begley - St Helens & Liverpool & somewhere in Ireland.
Foster - Liverpool & Yorkshire (Ripon & Leeds)
Pendleton - Huyton & Liverpool
Milnes - Leeds & Ripon
Banister - Preston
Wales - Liverpool & Cumberland
Ireland - Prescot
McDonough - Liverpool
Quirk - Liverpool
Hunt - St Helens
Tickle - St Helens

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Re: Mystery of the death of Peter Pendleton
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 11 July 12 21:31 BST (UK) »
FreeBMD records the following death:-
PENDLETON, Peter d.1926 Prescot 8b 831 Jun Qtr (aged 75).
Looks a good possibility?
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Re: Mystery of the death of Peter Pendleton
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 11 July 12 21:36 BST (UK) »
Sorry, no Victor.  As I said in my rambling post, I sent for that certificate years ago, and it's not him.  There were 3 Peter Pendletons born around the same time and all in the same area!!  It took a bit of unravelling but I know where I'm up to now!!

I always knew that my Peter went missing, it was a family legend.  My father even wrote a poem about the missing PP!

But thanks for your interest.
Begley - St Helens & Liverpool & somewhere in Ireland.
Foster - Liverpool & Yorkshire (Ripon & Leeds)
Pendleton - Huyton & Liverpool
Milnes - Leeds & Ripon
Banister - Preston
Wales - Liverpool & Cumberland
Ireland - Prescot
McDonough - Liverpool
Quirk - Liverpool
Hunt - St Helens
Tickle - St Helens

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Re: Mystery of the death of Peter Pendleton
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 11 July 12 23:19 BST (UK) »
Hi

Boston Passenger and Crew List June 1923 San Gil

The chap that died on the San Gil was Fred L Pendleton b America he was a crew member

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Re: Mystery of the death of Peter Pendleton
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 12 July 12 17:35 BST (UK) »
Thank you Margp.  What a shame.  Back to the drawing board then.  I am never going to find him I am afraid.  My dad always said he went missing and no-one ever heard anything again.  It was rumoured that he'd been killed, and body never found.  Possible I suppose.

Thanks anyway.

Begley - St Helens & Liverpool & somewhere in Ireland.
Foster - Liverpool & Yorkshire (Ripon & Leeds)
Pendleton - Huyton & Liverpool
Milnes - Leeds & Ripon
Banister - Preston
Wales - Liverpool & Cumberland
Ireland - Prescot
McDonough - Liverpool
Quirk - Liverpool
Hunt - St Helens
Tickle - St Helens

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Re: Mystery of the death of Peter Pendleton
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 12 July 12 18:00 BST (UK) »
Sorry, no Victor.  As I said in my rambling post, I sent for that certificate years ago, and it's not him.  There were 3 Peter Pendletons born around the same time and all in the same area!!  It took a bit of unravelling but I know where I'm up to now!!

I always knew that my Peter went missing, it was a family legend.  My father even wrote a poem about the missing PP!

But thanks for your interest.

Hi Polly, can you tell us the reason why you have discounted this DC
Family History is a Pandora's box if you don't like what you see find a new hobby,only concentrate on the proven facts and not the facts you think you know.
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Horton Darlaston.
Stanton Walsall.
Tudor. Radnorshire
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Re: Mystery of the death of Peter Pendleton
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 12 July 12 18:30 BST (UK) »
A number of reasons really.  The death certificate I have states he was a general labourer, whereas my PP was always down as a joiner.  The address is Moss Lane, Windle, Whiston (that's what it says) whereas I know that my PP was living in Argyle St, St Helens in the 1920s.  And it says the informant was his son William Pendleton, present at death, and my PP didn't have a son called William.  My PP had 7 girls and one son John Wales Pendleton (known as Jack) and he died in the war, in 1918.  It was devastating for the family, as he was the only boy; my father (who was born in 1911) talked about it in detail, and the upset of his mother (PP's sister) at losing her only brother.

I was so excited when I sent off for the certificate in 2009, and so disappointed when I opened it!

Thank you for your help and interested though!
Begley - St Helens & Liverpool & somewhere in Ireland.
Foster - Liverpool & Yorkshire (Ripon & Leeds)
Pendleton - Huyton & Liverpool
Milnes - Leeds & Ripon
Banister - Preston
Wales - Liverpool & Cumberland
Ireland - Prescot
McDonough - Liverpool
Quirk - Liverpool
Hunt - St Helens
Tickle - St Helens

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Re: Mystery of the death of Peter Pendleton
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 12 July 12 19:01 BST (UK) »
Hi Polly

When he was living in Argle St was he still with the family or had he left?

I notice he was a Journeyman Joiner, and this a long shot, I wonder if he had another family else where and left to be with them, this only a suggestion and as you have explored most avenues on this, it may be worth checking the informant on the DC, it seems odd that a man of his years would up and leave his family and never return, unless he had somewhere to go, and I hope you are not offended by my suggestion.

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Re: Mystery of the death of Peter Pendleton
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 12 July 12 19:22 BST (UK) »
Just throwing this one in the mix  ::)

In the National Probate Calendar Index of wills there is a record for

Peter Pendleton, 7 Peak Street, Oldham died Dec. 29 1937. Birth about 1860.
Administration Manchester. Effects left to John Pendleton, machinist and Jane Elizabeth Pendleton spinster.

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MURPHY: Wexford Ireland
DOYLE: Wexford, Ireland
BRENNAN: Wexford, Ireland
LEAHY: Ireland
NOLAN: Ireland to Boston, Massachusetts