Bridget Cullen b.1883 lived in Barnacullia

[shanew147]

as far as I remember Bridget just had Co. Dublin on the census returns - other than her residence at the time of marriage, is there some evidence she was born in the Barnacullia area ?

Co. Dublin was covered by a number of registration districts

Rathdown - most of south east Co. Dublin, but also a large section of north Co. Wicklow
South Dublin - south west county Dublin, and also all of the south city
Bathrothery - north county Dublin
and also some parts of Dublin north, which also cover all of the north city

[shanew147]

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Matthew and Bridget Cullen married 25 Jun 1906. Parents Matthew Cullen, Barnacullia and Francis Cullen, Woodside.
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note that residence on marriage certs are for the bride & groom at the time of marriage - not their fathers. So it may be their family home, that's often not the case..


S.

[shanew147]

dont know if you've ruled this one out already - but there's a baptism listed in Dublin city for a Bridget  Cullen in 1881, with father's name Francis

see : Baptism of Bridget Cullen  - 6 July 1881

The city is part of othe overall county Dublin, although most people born in the city record their place of birth on the census as 'Dublin' or 'Dublin city'. The parish is St. Mary's so if she was born nearby then the district would be Dublin North. A civil cert would show occupation for this Francis.

The only birth that seems to fit on the BMD INdex is this one in Dublin South - might possibly have taken place in a hospital in the south city.

  Name: Bridget Cullen
  Registration district: Dublin South
  Event type: Birth
  Quarter and year: Jul-Sep 1881
  Volume:   2 / Page:   757

[maggiegorey]

This is probably a stupid question ( ) but have you looked at the House and Building returns form on the 1911 census??

Isabella Rothery lived at the same address.
Not sure how this will help, but ive learned not to ignore any small snippet of information

[nannyj]

Mmm ... Interesting. I know from my aunt that we are related somehow to the Roes. I found a Bessie cullen in barnacullia in 1911, and the same family in 1901, although she was Elizabeth Cullen then. I don't know if it was a sixth sense or just adding two and two and getting five, but I sent off for hers and Francis wedding cert. they lived in Stepaside and Woodside. Both of their fathers were stone cutters (although I'm beginning to think that everyone was who lived there!) she was widowed by1901. I do know that my great grandfather and Bridget were related. Everyone else seems to have come from the sandyford area, so my hunch is with the Francis Cullen and Elizabeth Rowe record as Elizabeth later lives a few houses down from Bridget in barnacullia. What I don't know is how to be sure that this is the right set of parents for her? When I looked at the wedding certificate for Bridget and Matthew, the two witnesses were James Doyle and Annie roe (Elizabeth roe had a sister called Annie, who married a James Doyle ... But there are loads of Doyles in the area, so that could be coincidence too!)
Thanks Maggiegorey ... Hadn't thought of that. Rothery was Matthew's mother's maiden name. I have been able to trace lots of rothery relations. I will check back through the 1911 forms though :-)

[nannyj]

P.s. They're down as not being able to write on the marriage certs, so presumably the three or four years difference in Bridget's ages across various sources are not to be worried about? I'm guessing the baptism one would be the one to go with, as the priest would have been able to read and write?

[maggiegorey]

Maybe you and I should get together - there is a distinct possibility that our families are related, as Barnacullia was such a small place at that time, and the same families are turning up again and again.

the hardings were born, I know that much, but after the 1901 census, a whole clather of them vanished. In 1911, there are only four listed, and i cant find marriage certs, death certs or any other kind of cert.
They must have existed though  cos my husband and his father are the proof.

Im having the same problem with my own mothers family - it seems to be a problem where there were mixed marriages. the girl in the records office mentioned to me that quite often, if someone "married out" they were cut off from whichever side of the family took exception.

it might explain a lot!!!!

[maggiegorey]

I wasnt far wrong!!

Cant connect the branches yet, but there are Hardings and Cullens listed on Irish Genealogy - however this branch seem to be RC!!

[nannyj]

The major problem is only two census returns as well. My English side was so much easier to trace ... That and the fact my great grandfather was one of sixteen surviving children! It doesn't help that both my great grandparents were cullens ... Or that she was, to all intents and purposes, orphaned aged five. I know nothing of any hardings I'm afraid. That name hasn't come up at all in my searches. Intriguing though. I don't think there was any animosity in the family ... Except for the fact the children were sent to orphanages, rather than fostered within the family, as I'm told barnacullia was famous for.
I know that my nan went to live with her grandmother from 1914 til about 1918, when the grandmother (who could be Elizabeth roe) died. Then she lived with an aunty. Don't know the auntie's name, but her daughters were polly and Annie!
Just read your post ... Do you means ours are rc and the link between cullens and hardings is not?