William Gosen

[Jacquie in Canada]

The 1881 census indicates Amelia was born in the Channel Islands. Have you ruled out the possibility they married there?

Jacquie

[valeriec]

I went to family search in hopes of finding marriages but no luck.
I did however come across something that was interesting and I would keep the info in case it could come in handy at some point.

birth
Amelia Elizabeth Caroline Bell
b. 16 Sept. 1872, St Pierre Port, Guernsey, Channel Islands
d. 17 Nov. 1872
father - Fredk Augustus Bell
mother - AMELIA HOLMAN

This is almost the exact name given to the first child of Amelia Holman and William Gosen.
I went to Free BMD and found the births of the 3 younger children but not Carolyn A. Gosen. She was baptized at the same time as her brother William Frederick, 16 June 1878.
Gosen, William Frederick b. June qtr 1875
Gosen, Louisa Mabel b. March qtr 1877
Gosen, Agnes b. Sept qtr 1878
Gosen, Elizabeth b. Sept qtr 1880
These 4 children all born Bedwelty. I can't find a birth for Carolyn A. Gosen anywhere in Egland in 1873/74.

It may be possible that the Amelia Holman above is the one that married William Gosen and I would look at anything for that area of the Channel Islands. it would not have been unusual for Amelia to name her other female children after her first daughter that died.

All this needs to be verified but is information to store away in case it does pan out.

[valeriec]

In the 1891 census

Carolyn Gosen, age 17, servant,
birthplace - Portsmouth, Hampshire

William Gosen, age 16
is listed as Head of household
his sisters Agnes and Elizabeth are now going by the surname Saunders

Amelia J. Saunders, age 38, mother
birthplace is listed as Alderney, Channel Islands.

I went to Free BMD to look for the birth of Carolyn again and found her
Carolyn Amelia Bell
Portsea, Hampshire
b. Dec qtr 1873, Vol 2b, page 462
there is also a Henry Francis, same qtr, vol and page, could be a coincidence or another son.

I still can't find a marriage for Amelia Holman/Bell and William Gosen and I am thinking they probably never officially married.

Amelia started using the surname Saunders as early as 1891 and I can'f find a marriage for her to Richard Saunders either. I found a marriage for Richard in Dec qtr 1898, Pontypridd, Vol 11a page 916 but it doesn't have an Amelia that page with any surname. So are you sure they married.

It does appear that Amelia Holman/Bell/Gosen/Saunders could be one and the same person.

[valeriec]

In case the Louisa Mabel Gosen that I found was part of this family, I found her death
Age 1, June qtr 1878, vol 11a page 73

[Bo]

hello all and thank you so much for your responses    you are all pretty much on the ball... except for the BELL part of this equation which may or not be relevant.   They may be a relation to my Amelia but I don't think it it her.  She was born Alderney, Channel Island c1853 and her father was George and mother Elizabeth H Squires.  She is in the 1861 census but not the  1871 census tho the rest of her family are there.

Her children (by William Gosen) are Amelia Caroline Gosen 1874, William Fredrick 1875, Agnes 1878, Elizabeth 1880 and George Edward 1882 all apparently born Bedwelty / Merthyr Tydfil areas of Wales.

Amelia appears to marry Richard Saunders in 1896 in Bedwelty, Wales.

I'm working on the premise that Amelia was married to William Gosen from Canada in the 1881 census - even tho they are living apart.  I think it's too much of a coincidence - when William cannot be found elsewhere - they live in close proximity and not be related.

I cannot find a marriage certificate for Amelia and William either in Channel Islands or mainland England/Wales.  I'm clutching at straws to believe they married in Canada but, to tell the truth, I really don't know 

Also, I have posted in Wales and Canada sites (at various times) because I tend to work in a linear fashion and when I found them in Wales I went to that site and when I found Amelia's family in the Channel Islands I went to that site etc.... I don't mean to cause havoc but it seems appropriate to put them on the sites where someone may be abel to follow up where I cannot.  I'm so pleased you have all chipped in and thank you so much... any suggestions welcome 

[valeriec]

I hae just gone through all the other threads that you have on this family and it would have been nice if you had mentioned and linked them to this thread. It would have prevented a lot of work finding information that you already have.

There is absolutely no information leading Amelia to Canada or a marriage in Canada.

I believe that the Amelia Holman who married Fredk Augustus Bell is your Amelia. I also believe she was probably married to him in 1871 and that is why you didn't find her with the Holman family. They had a child that was born and died in 1872.

If Amelia and William Gosen married in the Channel Islands, you will have a very hard time finding the marriage as very little is online. You could try contacting churches looking for parish registers for bmd's as that may be the only way to find anything.

The birth I found for Carolyn Amelia Bell. Portsea, Hampshire, Dec qtr  1873 is the only match for her. The rest of the siblings are found on free bmd under Gosen but she was born in a different location from the rest and was baptized in June 1878 at the same time as her brother William. The only way for you to know for sure any of the information is to contact the church where the baptism took place and also order the birth registration information which could have more info than a birth certificate.

She obviously didn't have a problem using other surnames as she was using Sanders/Saunders in the 1891 census.

You may not have any luck finding the information you are searching for until more data is put online.

Good luck in your search but hopefully, in the future you will link all your threads.

[Bo]

Thank you for your response Valeriec and all the time given to it.  However, with all due respect, I didn't ask for any other information other than if someone could assist me with finding a possible Canadian marriage record.  I also did not know that I should have linked sites nor indeed do I know how to actually do it, and apologise for giving you all that work.

I may not have information leading Amelia to Canada but I do know she was (apparently) married to William Gosen and there was a man of this name who was living in reasonable proximity to her to suggest he may be the husband - he was born in Canada and it seemed logical to follow this premise.  Again, my apologies but, to tell the truth, I'm totally embarrassed at my ineptitude and not sure I will be asking for further assistance on this site.

[Jacquie in Canada]

If a person has other threads on the same person at RootsChat it is helpful for everyone if there are links provided to avoid a duplication of efforts. To do that all you need to do is copy the URL from the first post of the thread and paste it into your post in the new thread. If there is more than one thread then you can modify your post to add additional URLs.

Jacquie

[Bo]

It has been a while since I added to this (you can see from my post I didn't intend to) but I have found something that may substantiate my HOLMAN link to Canada.  I have found a Canadian (Dover, Ontario) marriage record for Charles Reaume on 27 Nov 1877 to Louisa Holman 17yrs - Father George Holman Mother Elizabeth Squires

My Amelia Holman had a sister born 1860 (so age fits) and these are the parents' names.

Can anyone please assist me in finding out if Amelia and her family emigrated to Canada and that Amelia may have met/married/cohabited with William Gosen and then returned to Britain, specifically Wales.    Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Many thanks.