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Offline jeastead

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Locating record of a twin
« on: Monday 09 July 12 03:33 BST (UK) »
Does anyone know how I can find the death record of a twin.

My late father in law William Stead b 1909 always said he was a twin.  They lived in Whitehall Street Rochdale Lancashire in the 1911 census. There is reference to a child who had died and think that this may be the twin. There is no reference in the BMD records of another child being born at the same time as William.
Stead and Cryer - Rochdale. Lancashire.
Wilson, Maxwell, Johnston. Perth and Rutherglen.Scotland

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Re: Locating record of a twin
« Reply #1 on: Monday 09 July 12 04:10 BST (UK) »
Hi just doing a search via Freebmd gives me a William born June 1909  Rochdale with also in June 1909, but on a different reference an Esther,  in Sept 1909 an Esther Stead's death was recorded in Rochdale aged 0 but cannot be certain that this is the "twin"

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Re: Locating record of a twin
« Reply #2 on: Monday 09 July 12 06:41 BST (UK) »
thanks for your quick reply. Sorry I forgot to put the date of my late fathers birth.
It was 13th March 1909 so I don't think your find would be a match.
Thank you anyway.
Jean
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Re: Locating record of a twin
« Reply #3 on: Monday 09 July 12 07:55 BST (UK) »
If the other twin were stillborn, there would be no entry in the birth indexes.
And if the mid march birth were not notified to the registrar until 1st of April, then it would appear in the June quarterly returns.
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Re: Locating record of a twin
« Reply #4 on: Monday 09 July 12 08:19 BST (UK) »
Hi
Lancashire bmds have the following 1909
Stead  William   Wardleworth Rochdale
Stead  Esther            "              "

There is another William born 1909 but he was born Spotland which in the 1911 is a different family.
I see they were in Wardleworth in 1911.
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Re: Locating record of a twin
« Reply #5 on: Monday 09 July 12 11:28 BST (UK) »
Hi,

Having searched through the burial registers of Manchester General Cemetery (Non Conformist only) they do record still born burials.  In some cases they put the parents name(sometimes only the surname) and address.  As you would have an address form the birth certificate of the other child it might be traceable.

If you have an idea which Cemetery (if it was a cemetery - not sure about Crematoriums- though they possibly would keep the same kind of records) and they have burials registers it's worth a search, as you have said it was a twin. (Though when registering they may not have stated the child as a 'twin')

Do you have any information if the child was a still born or did he/she survive to a certain age?

Searching for the Burial Registers possibly at the Office or a library could help with your search. Or contacting a Crematorium if there was one in the town at that time?  They may each offer a search for a fee?  Or if you track them down search them for yourself or maybe someone with access would offer to do it for you?

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Re: Locating record of a twin
« Reply #6 on: Monday 09 July 12 12:55 BST (UK) »
If you can find William Stead's birth certificate and both twins were born alive, there should be a time on it.  I think this is a good indication that he was a twin.

Looking at the other posts and the BMD and LancsBMD indexes, if it were my family and I had to take a guess at which certificates to order it would be the William and Esther Stead registered June qtr 1909.  As PaulineJ has already said a March birth could very easily come under the June qtr which covers the months April to June.

I would order William's certificate first and take it from there though.

If the twin was still born then the burial registers might be the only way to go.

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Re: Locating record of a twin
« Reply #7 on: Monday 09 July 12 14:54 BST (UK) »
Esther isn't a twin. She would have the preceeding or following reference to William if she were. I think the stillbirth is the answer.
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Re: Locating record of a twin
« Reply #8 on: Monday 09 July 12 15:11 BST (UK) »
So if the twin was a still born, there wouldn't be a time on William's birth certificate then ???.

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