St Saviours Harome burial lookup 1869

[ansjan1959]

  Hi,

  If someone with access to the parish registers and/or monumental inscriptions for St. Saviours, Harome could look up the following for me, I'd appreciate it greatly:

  John Wilson, buried 23 Sep 1869, age 50, St. Saviours, Harome.

  I have no idea whether this is my missing John Wilson (there are so many!), but you never know.

   Thanks.

   Janet

[horse000]

Hi Janet & welcome

It's a little difficult for us to know if he is your missing, John Wilson too, his name is quite common. I have found the same info in a popular Burial Index.

Perhaps you could let us know a little more about him (if you have it), this will help to eliminate irrelevant John Wilson's.

Regards
Geoff

[ansjan1959]

Hi Geoff,

I'm hoping the parish burial register provides more detail than the death certificate (which I have) but perhaps I'm dreaming.

  My John Wilson has not left much of a trail.... 

 Here's the little I know about him:

  He married Jane Taylor, Jan. 24 1846 in the Parish Church in Helmsley. Both lived in Harome at the time. His occupation was listed on their marriage certificate as farmer. The curate was E. Day. They were of age (but their ages are not given). Jane Taylor, at least, was born in Harome.

John's father was John Wilson, farmer.  Mary Wilson (perhaps his sister?) was a witness.

Jane Taylor was from a Quaker background (and perhaps John was too.)  I believe Jane may have been related to Ann (Boyes) and Jonathan Taylor (of Harome). Jonathan Taylor (schoolteacher) was the other witness at their wedding.

They had five children who are to be found living in Harome with their mother in 1851 and 1861:

  Mary Jane (b 1847 Harome)
  Robert (b. 1848 Harome)
  Anne (b. 1849 Harome)
  John (b. 1851 Harome)
  Elizabeth (b. 1861 Harome)

John is *not* at home during the 1851 or 1861 census. 

 In 1861, his occupation was listed as shepherd on Elizabeth's birth certificate.

Sometime between 1861 and 1871, I suspect Jane and John died as they're not to be found with any of their children or in the Helmsley district.  In 1871, Elizabeth (age 10) and her older brother John are living with their sister Mary's family (Harker) in Rosedale. In 1881 Elizabeth was working as a kitchen maid at the hall in Kirby Misperton (close to her other sister Anne's (Marton) family).

  Not much to go on, I'm afraid.

  Janet

[horse000]

Hi Janet

Just to clarify, I don't have access to the registers or MI's

The popularity of the names still remains an issue, especially outside of Helmsley.

However, your theory of their deaths between 1861 and 1871 is very plausible. If this is the case then the 1869 death of John Wilson aged 50 looks very possible, there are only 2 or 3 more within that period in the Helmsley district:

Q1 1861, no age given. V 9d, P 261. Unlikely because in 1861 he was noted as a shepherd on Elizabeths' birth cert.
Q4 1866, aged 76. V 9d, P 251. Unlikely because first child would be born when he was 56, though not impossible.
Q4 1871, aged 66. V 9d, P 283. Unlikely because census had been taken, but still a chance.

I have found a death for a Jane Wilson: Q3 1862, no age given, Helmsley, bur/reg. V 9d, P 232.

There is a probably a good reason for John not being at home in 1851 and 1861, he was a farmer/shepherd, his residence may have been on the farm at that time, especially if he spent some weeks away at a time.

I haven't yet established any links for Jonathan Taylor or Ann Boyes; though it must be likely that Jonathan is a relative, as Mary Wilson may well be!

Hope you can get something from this.

Regards
Geoff

[snowqueen]

Hi Janet,

I think Jane Taylor is the illegitimate daughter of Deborah Taylor born 28/10/1806 Harome who is the daughter of Jonathan and Ann

Lyn

[ansjan1959]

Thanks for your ideas and info, Geoff and Lyn,

 I've been thinking Jane Taylor could be Deborah Taylor's daughter too!

 Especially since Deborah Ward, birthplace Harome, is listed as 'mother' visiting Jane in the 1851 census.

 As for John, I'll keep my fingers crossed that somewhere, somehow there's a clue that will lead me to finding the 'right' one. 

 

[snowqueen]

Hi Janet,

In the 1861 Census at West Newton Grange, Oswaldkirk is John Wilson aged 40 a married shepherd born Cawton, which I think is near Gilling and Helmsley.

You mentioned that John's father was also John Wilson and baptised 16/5/1820 at Gilling was John Wilson son of John and Jane Wilson

He might be worth considering

Lyn

[ansjan1959]

  Hi Lyn,

  Thanks so much for the tip on a 'married' John Wilson, shepherd, in Oswaldkirk.  He could be the one!

   I'll follow up on him and see where he leads me.

   Janet
   
 

[snowqueen]

Hi Janet,

Good luck with your search - I hope he turns out to be your ancestor

Lyn