Paris, France: James (Jacques) Francis Xavier Whyte

[ThamesDitton]

James (=Jacques in French) Francis Xavier Whyte was one of the seven prisoners sprung from the Bastille on 14 July 1789.  He was insane, and re-incarcerated elsewhere.  The story was romanticised.  Research by M. Alf Begis published in the antiquarian journal L'Intermédiaire des chercheurs et curieux, 1889, based on papers in the Arsenal, reveals that Whyte was born in Dublin in 1730, went over to France, was assimilated into French forces and dubbed the Comte de Whyte de Malleville.  His family had had him locked up in 1781 at Vincennes as deranged, at their own maintenance costs.  He was transferred to the Bastille on 29 February 1789 and in March restrained from any role in administering his property.   He was married on 17 October 1767 in Paris, and he had two daughters.  One of whom, according to Burke's Peerage, appears to have been Sophia Whyte, who  in 1788 married Sir Henry Lambert 4th baronet of London.  That is, if there was only one Francis Xavier Whyte at that time.

I am researching the history of these Lamberts.  The crucial question is:  who was Francis Xavier Whyte's wife?  Subsidiary questions are: when and where did he eventually die?  Who was his other daughter/other children?  Where did he live in Paris when of sound mind? Where did Henry Lambert and Sophia Whyte marry?  And any other details that can be gleaned. 

The answers will be found in France.  I have already searched the online Multibase at http://www.familylink.com/ppc/?ss=france%20genealogy&pagename=ppcg&eng=ga&ft=1&gclid=CNGmlLmzirECFccLfAodBSucMA without success (but experts might have more).  This is Big History - so it's a fine challenge for these fantastic forums.

Bastille day is next Saturday...

[quisontils]

Hello,
I am looking about yours questions here: http://canadp-archivesenligne.paris.fr/archives_etat_civil/avant_1860_fichiers_etat_civil_reconstitue
But I find nothing about Whyte or Lambert marriage for this period, nothing more about birth whith this name.
Don't you know, the archives of Paris was burn in 18th. A lot of things was lost.
Maybe, you can have more informations in England.
If I can help you for your research in France
Isabelle

[garstonite]

Hiya
www.geneanet.org
whyte
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results 11
9 Library results
ONE result states WHYTE DE MOLLEVILLE ( not Malleville as you have ) ready for this ...it`s in French dated 1789
la tour du coin,le sieur Whyte De Molleville,et le comte de Solages, dans la tour de la Bertaudiere ...
to read it all there is a small charge , but at least there is a library reference to your research...
have a look yourself and good luck
allan
PS ..can anyone translate ? I`d be intrigued what it says

[quisontils]

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%A9giment_Dillon
http://www.irishmeninparis.org/soldiers-and-politicians/francis-xavier-whyte
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambert_baronets
http://books.google.fr/books?id=mvIDAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA338&lpg=PA338&dq=Sir+Henry+Lambert+4th+baronet+of+London&source=bl&ots=XaLyqhi8xp&sig=rzbpylOtl0DFd0GCIZuLdUGRkrI&hl=fr&sa=X&ei=17AbUdkvh8-EB_SDgNgM&ved=0CDcQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Sir%20Henry%20Lambert%204th%20baronet%20of%20London&f=false

Hello,
I am reading any pages on computer and I think you have more chances to find the answers to your questions in England than in France.
Because it appears that Whyte and Lambert are english families.
 Probably, when Francis Xavier Whyte was assimilated in the french army, it was in the Irish Brigades . They was issues from Shrewsberry-Dillon regiment which served the king of England during the 17th century. In 1690, this regiment was transfered to the service of the king of France and began Dillon regiment. In this regiment, there are many englishmen. So,you know, White wasn't  exactly an emigrant. Although he has a name in the french History
His daughter Sophia Whyte married Sir Henry Lambert 4th baronet of London. He was english although his ancestor was a french mercant from Isle of Rhé. And then, after the death oh her husband, Sophia married a second time with Henry Fulke Greville, Is itn't a famous english family?
So, I think you can find many informations in the genealogy of this two famous families.
For information, Dillon Regiment participed at the war of independance of America until 1782. Whyte was "embastillé" in 1781, did he serves in America?
Any links:
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%A9giment_Dillon
http://www.irishmeninparis.org/soldiers-and-politicians/francis-xavier-whyte
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambert_baronets
http://books.google.fr/books?id=mvIDAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA338&lpg=PA338&dq=Sir+Henry+Lambert+4th+baronet+of+London&source=bl&ots=XaLyqhi8xp&sig=rzbpylOtl0DFd0GCIZuLdUGRkrI&hl=fr&sa=X&ei=17AbUdkvh8-EB_SDgNgM&ved=0CDcQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Sir%20Henry%20Lambert%204th%20baronet%20of%20London&f=false
Sorry for my bad english!
Isabelle

[quisontils]

Hello,
I find an interesting thing: Whyte family is the irish part of a french famous family whose name is "de la Garotterie". They lived near of Nantes at Saint Herblain. Different persons in this family served in the Doillon Regiment! I'll Come back later.
Best regards.
isabelle

[quisontils]

Hello!
I don't know if you are enough interesting by this research?
This is my last contribution if  you don't reply.
It's sure your family WHITE is on the tree of Joelrilat on geneanet.
If you understand french, you could be very interesting by his pages about his irish family in the 17th century.
Best regards
Isabelle

[ThamesDitton]

I've just seen these replies, Isabelle - my notifications don't appear to have been working.

Thanks for the additional info.  Yes, he was in the Irish brigades as a colonel but I did not know of the de la Garotterie connection (intriguing name!).

[lambre]

I hope that the interest in Whyte, expressed on RootsChat some years ago, is still alive and well. As a direct descendant of Whyte via his daughter Sophia, I should be so glad to hear of any further progress made, and in return I can add some details from our family archives. I live in France and speak French, and I believe I have some information from this side of the Channel that was missing last time round.

Are there any ideas about his religion ? In general he would have had to be Catholic to serve in the French army, unless exceptions were made for the Irish Brigade ; on the other hand, the Lamberts were Protestant and a mixed-religion marriage to Anna Lambert would have been complicated to say the least.

It is said that "he was dubbed the Comte de Whyte de Malleville". Dubbed by whom, and was this title ever really recognised by the French authorities ? It obviously suited Sophia, marrying into a baronetcy, to lean on this title but...

I hope this will trigger some replies

lambre

[sarah]

Hi Iibra,

If you had replied to the topic it would have sent them an email to let them know of your reply, let me see if I can find the right topic for you.

Regards

Sarah  
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