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John Hoare and family of Dublin
« on: Thursday 05 July 12 06:30 BST (UK) »
I am researching the Hoare family of Dublin but I have hit a brick wall. John Hoare was a jeweller/silversmith during the first part of the 20th century and i know his daughters were Mary, Bridie and Kitty. I think 'Bridie' and 'Kitty' were nicknames. I do not know the name of John's wife and was wondering if anyone had any information about this family. On Mary's death record in the UK it says she was born in 1915 but I do not know if this correct and I don't know for sure if she was born in Dublin. I am not sure how to proceed from here as I cannot find John or anyone on the 1911 Ireland census - well not as a jeweller/silversmith anyway. He might have become that after that date.

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Re: John Hoare and family of Dublin
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 05 July 12 11:33 BST (UK) »
Your dates are a little bit too recent for useful details from census returns etc, and as you say maybe John wasn't a jeweler/silversmith by the time on the 1911 census.

Do you have marriage details for any of the children to confirm father's name and occupation ?
Cert should also include current residence, and may also give their age at the time which could help...

p.s. Kitty = Katherine or Catherine
       Bridie =  Bridget
 

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Re: John Hoare and family of Dublin
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 05 July 12 11:47 BST (UK) »
This could be him with the spelling HORE
HORE 19.2 in Gloucester Street, Upper (North Dock, Dublin) 1911 Census

HORE 8.2 in Stephen's Place (South Dock, Dublin) 1901 Census

wife's name changes from Catherine to Bridget so he most likely married twice or it could be two different families
if a second marriage it was about 1908
Kearney & Bourke/ Johns & Fox/ Mannion & Finan/ Donohoe & Curley
Byrne [Carthy], Keeffe/ Germaine, Butler/ McDermott, Giblin/ Lally, Dolan
Toole, Doran; Dowling, Grogan/ Reilly, Burke; Warren, Kidd [Lawless]/ Smith, Scally; Mangan, Rodgers/ Fahy, Calday; Staunton, Miller
Further generations:
Brophy Coleman Eathorn(e) Fahy Fitzpatrick Geraghty Haverty Keane Keogh Nowlan Rowe Walder

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Re: John Hoare and family of Dublin
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 05 July 12 11:56 BST (UK) »
^^ looks good - a silver finisher, and a daughter named Bridget...

First wife 'Cathrine', second marriage to Bridget c1908

There are two possible marriages in Dublin around the right time - a John Hore in Dublin South, and a John Hoare in Dublin North. The one in Dublin North (Jul-Sep 1908/Vol 2/pg   520) looks a little more likely, and there's a cross match to a Brigid Hanlon.

The one in Dublin South (Apr-Jun 1908/Vol 2/pg 666) has no less than four Bridgets as cross matches - although some could be second marriages...

Bridget Bolger, Donnelly, Kirby & O'Brien



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Re: John Hoare and family of Dublin
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 05 July 12 12:04 BST (UK) »
Kearney & Bourke/ Johns & Fox/ Mannion & Finan/ Donohoe & Curley
Byrne [Carthy], Keeffe/ Germaine, Butler/ McDermott, Giblin/ Lally, Dolan
Toole, Doran; Dowling, Grogan/ Reilly, Burke; Warren, Kidd [Lawless]/ Smith, Scally; Mangan, Rodgers/ Fahy, Calday; Staunton, Miller
Further generations:
Brophy Coleman Eathorn(e) Fahy Fitzpatrick Geraghty Haverty Keane Keogh Nowlan Rowe Walder

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Re: John Hoare and family of Dublin
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 05 July 12 12:08 BST (UK) »
They switch sides of the Liffey between the 1901 and 1911 census - so I suppose either of the 1908 marriages are possible...


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Re: John Hoare and family of Dublin
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 05 July 12 12:55 BST (UK) »
Possible baptism for John Joseph Hore

john joseph hore

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Re: John Hoare and family of Dublin
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 05 July 12 13:02 BST (UK) »
Sorry,

I have just seen another possibility for John Joseph Hore

john joseph hore 2

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Re: John Hoare and family of Dublin
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 05 July 12 18:19 BST (UK) »
HI all,

Yes, I have Mary's marriage certificate from 1937. It says her father was John Hoare and a silversmith. Her address was 61 Leix Road which is in Cabra in the north of the city. Because of this I have actually taken a chance and ordered the birth certificate of a Mary Hoare born in Dublin North in 1912 though there is one born in Dublin South in 1913 too.
The John Hore silver finisher looks compelling but the children don't look quite right.