CONNAH'S QUAY - BAPTISM LOOKUP

[EJ]

Looking for the baptismal record of Charles GRIFFITHS b abt 1857 in Connah's Quay.   He may also have been named Charles William GRIFFITHS as a correction was made to his marriage certificate in 1881 adding the William.
His father was John GRIFFITHS who was involved with the New Methodist Connexion in Connah's Quay.  His mother was either Mary or Elizabeth (or perhaps Mary Elizabeth or vice versa). 

He may also have a sister, Mary Elizabeth b about 1854 in Connah's Quay.

The family is believed to have lived at Nine Houses, Shotton.

Grateful for any help.

Lizzie

[wrjones]

Free BMD gives his birth to have been in the Great Boughton District of Cheshire in the Oct/Nov/Dec quarter of 1956,Volume 8a,Page 333.Regardless perhaps of how he may have been recorded in census entries he is named as Charles William Griffiths.

Regards
William Russell Jones.

[CaroleW]

This is from the IGI

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X11J-NMZ

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X11J-NMZ

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X11N-24D

[EJ]

My thanks to both of you for such quick responses

I should have mentioned that I had already sent off for a b/c for a Charles William GRIFFITHS (reg Gt Boughton, Cheshire).  He was born 18 Nov 1856 at Shotton and gave his father as John GRIFFITHS - Guard on Railway and his mother as Mary GRIFFITHS (nee HEWITT).  That b/c ties in with the IGI baptismal record too.

However, my gut feeling is that this is NOT the Charles I am looking for and suspect his would have been a Holywell registered birth, possibly without the William.

Thanks again

Lizzie

[CaroleW]

1861 for Shotton - Nine Houses

John Griffiths 29 butcher b Shrewsbury Shropshire
Mary   28 b Hawarden
Mary E   7 b Heywood Lancs
Charles W 4 b Hawarden
Caroline 2       ditto
Stephen Hewitt 24 lodger b Hawarden
RG9 Piece 2633 Folio 108 Page 21

[CaroleW]

John & Mary married in 1852 in Lancashire as per freebmd

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NJTH-J8W

[wrjones]

Well Lizzie,whilst I can accept that you should want these matters of a direct relative to be correct,let me say first of all that someone born in Connahs Quay/Shotton at that time would not have been registered in the Holywell District.I'm not offering that as perhaps my considered opinion but rather that of the co-ordinator of the North Wales BMD,Dafydd Hayes who I have just spoken to about the matter.He has forgotten more than I will ever know about Genealogy!

Of course I can accept the apparent difficulties that you face,given that Charles William died in 1882 and that you have no further Census evidence to connect with the earlier birth.One vital fact perhaps you didn't give,seeing that you have the 1856 Birth Certificate is the actual place of birth which would have been given?

Regards
William Russell Jones.

[CaroleW]

The family is believed to have lived at Nine Houses, Shotton

And that is where they were in 1861 - see above

However, my gut feeling is that this is NOT the Charles I am looking for

So tell us about the Charles you are looking for.  You mention a marriage certificate in 1881 - what is his fathers actual occupation as shown on the marriage cert

Who were the witnesses?

What address is shown for Charles on that cert

[wrjones]

It may be difficult to understand,someone born in Connahs Quay at that time would indeed come under the Holywell Registraton District.However someone born in Shotton as was the case with Charles William as we see was registered in the Great Boughton Registration District under Cheshire.The birth of Charles William does show up on Cheshire BMD as within the Hawarden Sub District.

Regards
William Russell Jones.