Please help to solve some mysteries

[dotty]

I have two boys on the 1861 Scottish census both boys born in the USA.Theodore Patterson c 1850 and Arthur  Randolph c 1843.They are staying with Elizabeth Fowlds and her two daughters Willie G [Williamina Galt] and Alexis.The boys are down as second cousins---second cousins to whom? Elizabeth or to each other?The parents of Arthur are Thomas Mann and Lucinda Anne Randolph[nee Patterson] so I can see there is a connection here but where?
To add to my problems when I have looked on another site for the 61 census  Elizabeth  comes up as this
Elizabeth Allan of Faulds and her daughters likewise.So are they Allans or Faulds/Fowlds or what.
Arthur has a brother Allan Randolph which could bring in The Allan name .
Arthur marries and is in England on the 71 census but I can't find Theodore.
Can anybody please find me the marriage of Elizabeth ?

Any suggestions much appreciated

[MonicaL]

Hi Dotty

The surname looks to be Fowlds (and likely versions of that).

You might have double check deaths to confirm mother Elizabeth's maiden name. Alexis and Williamina Fowlds show living alone in Irvine in 1881. There is a will entry for Alexis in 1886, so likely death for her around that time. This would also let you confirm her mother's maiden name and father's name.

Monica 

[MonicaL]

I think this might be the Fowlds family in 1841:

Allan Foulds 70, nurseryman
Nancy Foulds 60
Elizebeth Foulds 40
Willie Foulds 25
Alexer Foulds 20
John Foulds 20
Elizth Morton 20, servant
Agness Candlish 15, servant

Address: Flower Bank, Kilmarnock

Can't figure out who was the father to the two girls. Elizabeth, mother, must have been very young when she married (or maybe a second marriage for father?).
Monica

[dotty]

Thanks Monica

[MonicaL]

Dotty, how much info do you have on these family lines so far? Why are you trying to trace Arthur and Theodore?

This will be an interesting search but you will likely have to dig in and view certs to unravel....or maybe someone else has already and can help!

I think the connections with these family lines bring in the surnames of: Fowlds, Galt, Allan and Poe (as in Edgar Allan Poe and his connections back to Scotland - Kilmarnock/Irvine, and his foster parents). A little background here http://poeinscotland.com/id5.html

Monica

[MonicaL]

This is the grandmother of Arthur Randolph http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mysouthernfamily/myff/d0010/g0000085.html#I61761 , a Louisa E.F. DeHart Patterson www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=82455929. One of her daughters, Louisa, was the second wife of John Allan, who was the foster father to Edgar Allan Poe. John Allan's Scottish connections are the reason that Edgar Allan Poe looks to have spent some early formative years in Ayrshire, Scotland. Lots of info on these links, and many more if you google for info on Edgar Allan Poe and Scotland.

Monica

[MonicaL]

Just a correction to what we had. That 1861 census entry that you mentioned, Elizabeth is not mother to Willia G and Alexis. They are infact all sisters it seems from that entry. Elizabeth I think died in 1875 in Irvine, aged 75. No additional surname for her so like her two sisters, looks to have remained unmarried. Her death entry, and that of her sisters would let you confirm her parents' names. From what we had from 1841, father likely Alan and mother Agnes.

I think this might be parents' marriage https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XT27-YW5

This then begins to make sense of some of the names and connections we are seeing across in the US.

Interesting snippet and photo here: www.flickr.com/photos/mccarthaighb/6985601419/

Monica

[dotty]

Brilliant readings.I am now trying to find out if John William Patterson  had a brother Theodore ,Wil get back to you tomorrow

Dotty

[hanes teulu]

Glasgow Herald, Tue, 20 July 1886
Deaths
Fowlds - suddenly at 8 Eglinton Street, Irvine. on the 16th inst, Alexis Fowlds, only surviving member of the family of the late Allan Fowlds, Flowerbank, Kilmarnock

regards