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Re: Body of beheaded man1600s Nuneaton Can this archival record assist researchers?
« Reply #27 on: Wednesday 04 July 12 23:24 BST (UK) »

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So the Scott connection there is later than the death of Monmouth

Actually no.
King Charles 11 begat:
James Scott 1st. Duke of Monmouth later 1st. Duke of Buccleuch who begat:
James Scott who begat:
Francis Scott 2nd. Duke of Buccleuch who begat:
Francis Scott who begat:
Henry Scott 3rd. Duke of Buccleuch who married Elizabeth dau. of the 1st. Duke of Montagu & 3 x GreatGranddaughter of Francis Leigh.
So the Duke of Monmouth beheading precluded the Leigh connection with the family.

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Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
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Re: Body of beheaded man1600s Nuneaton Can this archival record assist researchers?
« Reply #28 on: Wednesday 04 July 12 23:29 BST (UK) »
"Keep the heid" Jim, that's what I said!   ;D

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Re: Body of beheaded man1600s Nuneaton Can this archival record assist researchers?
« Reply #29 on: Wednesday 04 July 12 23:32 BST (UK) »
That was 5 years ago Marg.They've probably all got other jobs by now.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
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Re: Body of beheaded man1600s Nuneaton Can this archival record assist researchers?
« Reply #30 on: Wednesday 04 July 12 23:36 BST (UK) »
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Keep the heid" Jim, that's what I said!
Yes that's what you said..I read it wrong.
I think I've had too many begats.

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Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

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Re: Body of beheaded man1600s Nuneaton Can this archival record assist researchers?
« Reply #31 on: Friday 06 July 12 18:13 BST (UK) »
Quote from: Al in Vane on Wednesday 04 July 12 12:53 BST (UK)
I think the earlier suggestion that it was the Duke of Monmouth could be on the money, after his execution in 1685 some claim that he was exhumed and his head stitched back on in order for a portrait to be done, was this an explanation given out at the time to cover it all up, as he was a nephew of James II
Some time ago at the Tower of London the guide told a group of us that after the execution it was realised there was no portrait of the Duke of Monmouth. As he was of royal blood (if there was any left ;) ) a portrait had to be completed, and the guide said the portrait of a pale looking man is in the National Portrait gallery. If so, then the report is correct.
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Re: Body of beheaded man1600s Nuneaton Can this archival record assist researchers?
« Reply #32 on: Friday 06 July 12 18:21 BST (UK) »
Alas Roger,it appears to be one of those myths,earlier portraits of Monmouth did exist and still do........apparently.
SCOTLAND: Wardlaw Steen/Stein Tweedie McBride McEwan Pate/Peat Brown Somerville Bishop Farier/Ferrier Wood  Torrance Gibb Ross Dunlop Downs Richardson Ramsey Story Snaddon/Sneddon Auld Allan McLean McInnes Mason Law Lawson Kerr Cockburn Christie Ballingall Wardrope Weir Wallace Scott.
IRELAND: Welsh Clifford Lee Allingham Keane Dale Robinson Greer McVey Bingham Skelton Carson Broomfield Clark McEwan/McKeown McCreary McLaughlan.
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« Reply #33 on: Friday 06 July 12 18:37 BST (UK) »
Digressing slightly George, i thought the Yeoman warders at the Tower were there to give accurate information to visitors. If so, and this guide didn't shouldn't be be dealt with as appropriate to his place of work?
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« Reply #34 on: Friday 06 July 12 18:42 BST (UK) »
Off with his head ;D ;D ;D
SCOTLAND: Wardlaw Steen/Stein Tweedie McBride McEwan Pate/Peat Brown Somerville Bishop Farier/Ferrier Wood  Torrance Gibb Ross Dunlop Downs Richardson Ramsey Story Snaddon/Sneddon Auld Allan McLean McInnes Mason Law Lawson Kerr Cockburn Christie Ballingall Wardrope Weir Wallace Scott.
IRELAND: Welsh Clifford Lee Allingham Keane Dale Robinson Greer McVey Bingham Skelton Carson Broomfield Clark McEwan/McKeown McCreary McLaughlan.
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Re: Body of beheaded man1600s Nuneaton Can this archival record assist researchers?
« Reply #35 on: Friday 06 July 12 20:35 BST (UK) »
I know two portraits had been done earlier which is why I suggested that it was all a cover for having him exhumed. No doubt if enough money changed hands his body would be 'spirited' away (If that is the right word ;D)!
Normally I doubt if executed bodies would be allowed to be taken away by the family but money opens many doors!













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